MY ME 410

[Karnak]

Mossies are currently 110 food.

This tour the Mosquito has 27 kills of the Bf110G-2 and the Bf110G-2 has 13 kills of the Mosquito.

Last tour finished with a score of 45 to 35 in favor of the Mosquito.

Personally, I have only ever lost a single Mosquito to a Bf110.

So, no, Bf110s do not do well in combat with Mosquitoes.

[chris3]

moin

thats true, if its come to a dogfight between mossie and a 110 the mossie will mostly win, if the 110 isn t able to get a snap shoot on it.
i tried it a lot but if you don t fly a light 110 (50% fuel and only smal gunpaket) you will not have a big chance to get on the mossie. exspezialiy if the mossi pilot knews what he is doing. but luckily the most dont hehe.

cu christian

[Lusche]

This tour the Mosquito has 27 kills of the Bf110G-2 and the Bf110G-2 has 13 kills of the Mosquito.

Last tour finished with a score of 45 to 35 in favor of the Mosquito.

2011 Late War Arena Mossie vs 110G K/D  : 1.35

[Noir]

110 vs Mossie, the first to get a gun solution wins, can't be a long fight  

My expectation of the me410 is a twin engined 190, sharing its crappy sustained turns characteristics but also its diving ability...which one is the better bomber hunter depends if the mk103 is modelled...

[titanic3]

This is gonna be my permanent replacement for the 110. Can't wait!

[Noir]

This is gonna be my permanent replacement for the 110. Can't wait!

Thats what they said too....

[titanic3]

Thats what they said too....

Oh yea? Well my 410 is better than yours !

Question: Did the 410 serve in the Eastern front?

[Karnak]

110 vs Mossie, the first to get a gun solution wins, can't be a long fight  

Depends.  I shot one Bf110G-2 down using just the .303s on the Mossie.  Well, it was still a one pass kill as he was so clumsy I was able to drill his port wing at the #2 engine nacelle all the way in and the wing came off when I reached about 50 yards.

That was probably more of a humiliation kill than I had to do though, it wasn't like I was anywhere near out of 20mm ammo.


As to the Me410, I am looking forward to it quite a bit even though I will see it in the gunsight more than from the cockpit.  I am keen to see what loadout options it has and how it stacks up on time to target with ordnance when coming in at 10,000ft.  I doubt it will dethrone the P-38L on that metric, but while it might not beat the Mosquito Mk VI on time to target, but it should demolish it in terms of destruction it can inflict.  If it beats the Bf110 in time to target it will take the #3 spot on that metric.  All the single engined aircraft handle ordnance comparatively poorly.

[mthrockmor]

Karnak, there could be a variable your info does not reflect. When someone is going to up for odd combat, how many up a Mossie? When they are going to deack a town how many up a 110? My point, I know of many who up the Mossie for the challenge of ACM. I only know of a few who up the 110 for the same challenge.

If we could control for those who are upping for sheer ACM and attempt to compare numbers there I think the numbers may be different. I can't demonstrate that with numbers though 'purpose' may change those numbers. Just thinking out loud.

To this end, when we do finally get the 410 I think the numbers will change. I don't read of too many sticks wanting to deack in the 410 but discussing ACM. I think we will see many more upping with one purpose in mind, killing Mossies, 38s, PonyDs, etc. I know I will.

Boo

[Karnak]

We shall see, but by the numbers it seems to be starting from a disadvantage in that department.  It may surprise us all, but based on its historical reputation that does not seem likely.

[morfiend]

 I think the 410 has an undeserving bad rep,against single engine escorts it didnt fair well but it had devestating effects on the 4 engine bombers.A single squadron scored 64 bombers during "big week" and several escort fighters.
  The 410 were successful at sinking ships in the baltics and there had to be a reason they armed it with tungsen core 30mm rounds,although I'd have to research how well they faired aganst Gv's.


Karnak,you time on target has me curious,how do you determine that?  Remember the 410 has a 6x20mm loadout with about 1700 rounds,thats plenty of trigger time. I might even be able to score a kill or 2 with that amount of firepower!

    Oh and dont forget the 410 is equipped with dive flaps so that might give it more "hangtime" over target also.

   I'd still pick the mossie 1v1 over the 410 but if the 410 handles anything like the 110c then it will be a force to be reckoned with! Personally I cant wait to try out the Mk103's that will likely be my loadout of choice



   

[Karnak]

Not "time on target" but rather "time to target".

I think the Me410 will be excellent for some things, but air-to-air will be a challenge in it.

As to the MK103s, those are probably going to dethrone the Mosquito Mk VI as the fighter with the best air-to-air gun package.  They are the only aspect of the Me410 that makes me at all nervous about engaging it.

[morfiend]

 What I'm curious about is the weight factor,what will it weigh with the Mk103's verses what will it weigh with the 6 20mm loadout.  IIRC the 2x20mm version carries 700 rounds of ammo shared by 2 guns were as the mossie has 4 guns so the trigger time will be longer.





   

[Lusche]

As to the MK103s, those are probably going to dethrone the Mosquito Mk VI as the fighter with the best air-to-air gun package.  They are the only aspect of the Me410 that makes me at all nervous about engaging it.

Of course it's all speculation for now... but when in a fighter, the 410's armament probably would not make me more nervous than the 110's, the Ta 152's, or any other ultra-armed fighter.
But if I were in a bomber and notice that 410 closing in on me, even from dead 6 ...   ... better gonna practice my long range 0.50 sniping skill 

[Karnak]

Its the muzzle velocity on the MK103 that makes it more alarming from a fighter stand point.  The MK108s are a lot easier to avoid due to their absolutely horrible muzzle velocities.

One thing is that we don't even know what loadouts we're getting on the Me410 yet.