I love the fact that nobody thinks the -25 is good when(rarely) I fly a jug that's(usually) my choice its a jack of all trades from what I understand(numerous threads with good imput from Jug drivers), and alot of people misjudge it Juggler, Jughead back me up! It's been awhile since I've flown it as I'm trying to learn the Axis planes but I will stand by the -25.