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Offline AKKuya

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Re: Next Scenario Announcement
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2012, 01:16:22 PM »
I was the CO for the Axis during Battle Over Germany in early 2011.  The only small problems in that was very bad frame rate when a hundred players in bombers and fighters merged for the first pass and isolated instances of Allied players climbing above the max alt.

Oneway, Allied CO, used a steamroller tactic with his bombers and concentrated his fighters in front and above with some on the flanks.  We LW pilots had a very difficult time dividing and conquering with his tactic.  We still managed to send alot of Allied pilots to the ground.

Krusty, the set-up was good.  Oneway and I had to make choices and the fluidity of combat dictated the outcome plus whether individual pilots followed orders or not. 
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Re: Next Scenario Announcement
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2012, 01:42:47 PM »
Zoney, you will be missed  :salute
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Re: Next Scenario Announcement
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2012, 02:41:53 PM »
Appreciate your understanding Zoney.  If you have a fav side let us know and I am sure you can be added to the forum to enjoy at least that much.

Cheers,

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Re: Next Scenario Announcement
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2012, 06:14:15 PM »
Yea Zoney,

You loaned my Dora couple cannon rounds from WSDG. I was hoping to repay you  :devil

Take care, hope to see you in the next one   :salute

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Re: Next Scenario Announcement
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2012, 08:53:14 AM »
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Re: Next Scenario Announcement
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2012, 08:57:30 PM »
Guppy: We've had that fight before, and I and others have posted war diaries of other bomber groups that rarely got above 22k most of the time too. You want to post the highest? Well in the past I've even shows where B-17s were flying 16k-18k range. Fact of the matter is SOMEBODY was flying lower than those highest-of-the-high. It was difficult to fly that high, it was hard on the crews, it was long and time consuming, and the tip of the iceberg did go that high, yes..... But much more of the iceberg was lower than that.

Dear GOD Krusty..

I can attest to MEETING LW fighters in BOG at my alt or HIGHER every damn frame.  If anyone got hit by higher Allied fighters it was after the initial sortie.  If they were slaughtered I commend your AAA gunners which seemed to do an effective job of wiping out the bombers.

Bombers in DGS didn't fly 1 inch under the Alt Cap.. and they won't here either.. every time like you stated.  Also I have previously refuted your 100% power complaint from DGS and I am not going to go through that all over, you can look it up if the search engine will allow it..

As to climbing without air spawns, you were one of the most complaining when we ran this originally about the hour wait for the Allies to get to alt, get into formation and start moving.  We cannot do that this time as the maps distances disallow it.. as does the lack of patience from the LW to sit in the tower for an hour waiting..  of course we got accused of running the LW outta gas last time, in fact I think YOU were arguing that the Allies would only take 25% in DGS which had us in stitches.

Fencer, I can attest that every bomber in DGS in every frame was as high as it could get unless it was diving away at 300+ mph to run home after dropping. Every one I encountered, that is. I was attacking bombers every frame. Aside from a first-encounter attack run you couldn't chase them. Even with real time coordination, lone fighters tailing the formations and vectoring others in, you could never catch them unless you were in position already.

We may have shot a number of bombers down, but by god we paid for it. Almost every first-encounter was a massive black eye for us. Much of our successes were second lives and the few that limped back to base to replane, etc. Even then we wasted hours chasing cons and reports and if the bombers weren't flying towards us they got away most of the time. From memory I recall the actual bomber attackers could never catch the bomber stream -- it was actually the fighter patrols that were meant to go after escorts that ended up killing more than we did. We had a saturation going on to sweep and screen fighters and as the bombers moved on they ran into more fighter squads already in front of them. We whittled away at them, but only by being in their path most of the time. Even when I was lucky to be chosen as a 262 pilot we wasted much time chasing bombers across the map and had limited success before they passed the "do not pass" line on their rtb. I believe my 262 run netted more fighter kills than bomber kills.

And finally, I think you'll find I was actually advocating allies climb out even back then. I wasn't complaining of their climbout taking too long, in fact I was rather vocal that it was far too easy for them.



Personally, I do love scenarios as a rule, but I'm not sure my schedule allows participation this time. That doesn't mean I'm any less interested, though. Or less inclined to discuss where they can be improved, etc. As you mention, one thing you're doing this time is giving plenty of advance warning -- which is the perfect time to discuss such things (long before it starts).
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Re: Next Scenario Announcement
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2012, 09:24:47 PM »
Get your scenarios straight Krusty, in one paragraph you talk like its DGS but you are obviously describing BoG..
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Re: Next Scenario Announcement
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2012, 09:39:46 PM »
Actually, Krusty, the "advance" part is to give each team time to prepare for the inevitable obstacles ahead of them, not wring our hands over the minutia of irrelevant altitudes.

Both the CO's and XO's of each team are the event designers.  From the Axis perspective, and as the Axis CO, I have absolutely no concern about the alt of the bombers.  Be careful you don't spend time trying to fix something that isn't broken, or simply broken in your opinion.  If you would like to know why I am not concerned about the alt, you need to join up and get involved, I won't be explaining it to you out here, as that would give up strategy.  Don't make the mistake of thinking I'll be doing much justification in the Axis forums though either, as we are working to get really good at identifying and overcoming obstacles, not arguing over what needs to change in the rules.  This team is prepared for any alt, that is the only way we will never be surprised or distracted by where we find them.

Not much time to talk, too much to actually do.  Join or not.  But please be careful about speaking to our needs on the Axis side when the Axis side is perfectly happy.  If you do decide to join though, be prepared to invest a great deal of time in flight preparing, that's what our team is looking for, effort.

We have had this conversation before.  Wasting time on speculation, and not nearly enough time spent in actual preparation.  If you are participating, pick a side.  If not, don't be mad if the conversation with you ends, we are all kind of busy with the realities of what we have to tackle.

Side note, fighters aren't supposed to be taken buy surprise and try to catch up to the bombers. That's just poor scouting and lack of communication and coordination.  That is solved by changing attitudes, not altitudes.
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Re: Next Scenario Announcement
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2012, 09:59:00 PM »
Darn it.

I just realized that the forum does not have a "SQUELCH" command!   :lol

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Re: Next Scenario Announcement
« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2012, 10:12:36 PM »
I just realized that the forum does not have a "SQUELCH" command!   :lol

It does, go to profile and go to personal message options. You'll see the ignore list on top...

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Re: Next Scenario Announcement
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2012, 01:04:45 AM »
 If you would like to know why I am not concerned about the alt, you need to join up and get involved, I won't be explaining it to you out here, as that would give up strategy.

Don't listen to him, it's not because of strategy... It's because we don't want the Allies to quit early.  :ahand
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Re: Next Scenario Announcement
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2012, 01:20:23 AM »
Don't listen to him, it's not because of strategy... It's because we don't want the Allies to quit early.  :ahand

you do understand WHY we shipped you to the Luftwaffe don't you Seph? You are the Allies secret weapon! :)
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Re: Next Scenario Announcement
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2012, 01:31:43 AM »
Fencer, I can attest that every bomber in DGS in every frame was as high as it could get unless it was diving away at 300+ mph to run home after dropping. Every one I encountered, that is. I was attacking bombers every frame. Aside from a first-encounter attack run you couldn't chase them. Even with real time coordination, lone fighters tailing the formations and vectoring others in, you could never catch them unless you were in position already.

We may have shot a number of bombers down, but by god we paid for it. Almost every first-encounter was a massive black eye for us. Much of our successes were second lives and the few that limped back to base to replane, etc. Even then we wasted hours chasing cons and reports and if the bombers weren't flying towards us they got away most of the time. From memory I recall the actual bomber attackers could never catch the bomber stream -- it was actually the fighter patrols that were meant to go after escorts that ended up killing more than we did. We had a saturation going on to sweep and screen fighters and as the bombers moved on they ran into more fighter squads already in front of them. We whittled away at them, but only by being in their path most of the time. Even when I was lucky to be chosen as a 262 pilot we wasted much time chasing bombers across the map and had limited success before they passed the "do not pass" line on their rtb. I believe my 262 run netted more fighter kills than bomber kills.

Geez, maybe you need to calibrate your throttle. 

In BOG I never had any problems catching and killing bombers in either a 190A-8 or a 190D-9 and didn't really have trouble with the allied escorts who, according to you, totally outclassed me.  Of course I know how to roll.  Maybe you should try that after you calibrate your throtte.

You know you've gone on and on over the years about how fast bombers are in AH but no one else seems to have trouble with them.  Have you ever thought maybe it's just you?
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Re: Next Scenario Announcement
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2012, 01:42:43 AM »
you do understand WHY we shipped you to the Luftwaffe don't you Seph? You are the Allies secret weapon! :)

You are going to blow my cover with comments like that.  :bhead
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Re: Next Scenario Announcement
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2012, 12:32:31 PM »
LOL  SeSeph!  I knew it! lol
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