11.81@121mph

[Shuffler]

Non-streetable COPO Camaro coming.... only 69 to be built.

[CAP1]

Non-streetable COPO Camaro coming.... only 69 to be built.

 yea. does it run 8.9's? like the non-streetable cobrajet? of which there are only 50 per year? 

 actually.....it was an 09 cobrajet i think that just went 8.9's, making it the first ever factory production car to run that fast in stock class. i honestly haven't found anything on how fast the 5 liter cobrajets are.

[Shuffler]

yea. does it run 8.9's? like the non-streetable cobrajet? of which there are only 50 per year? 

 actually.....it was an 09 cobrajet i think that just went 8.9's, making it the first ever factory production car to run that fast in stock class. i honestly haven't found anything on how fast the 5 liter cobrajets are.

Nothing is showing numbers yet.

[CAP1]

Nothing is showing numbers yet.

 yea...over on ls, i saw a vid of the white copo. good looking car. they keep it from letting us see the timing board though. ford's doing the same thnig. very agitating.

 that said, i just read that apparently the shelby's already into the 9's. 9.89@143 to be exact. apparently it didn't take much work to get it there. 

[Hajo]

If I may interject.....   the Dodge Viper still holds the record at Nurbering.  Track mind you.

Debate on Ford and Chevy enthusiasts!  2013 brings back the Viper into production.

And I'm reading a lot of bad press about #8 cylinders in a certain Mustang V8.  Maybe they should eliminate #8 and run on 7?   

I visited several Mustang boards and many Mustang owners are quite displeased.  Seems a lot of Ford Dealerships are

giving them heartache over this issue.

[RTHolmes]

ford's got one over at the 'ring right now. someone over on ls1 said they heard that someone timed it at 7:31 and 7:35. it would make sense really, 'cause it doesn't HAVE to be fabulous in the corners. it only needs to be kinda good. comin' out, it'll rape the blacktop, and hit crazy speeds on the straight runs.

yeah it does - the start/finish straight is under 2 miles long, the other 10 miles is 150 corners strung together. simple brute force will not yield decent times.

this is a sub-8min pace lap to give you an idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlWQy-gljhs

[Grayeagle]

Runnin the 'ring in Forza 3 you really get an idea of how well balanced a car has to be to do well there.

It's gotta have it all .. accel, decel, suspension, horsepower, traction .. it all has to be excellent to do under 8 minutes.

I have probably built over 50 cars in Forza 3 for fun and laffs ..some of the combo's that I can do under 8 mins are a bit surprising.

ie:
I took the boss 429 Mustang in game, took out that huge boat anchor and put in the new much lighter killer motor, converted the car to All Wheel Drive,
.. beefed up everything else I could ..and it flat out does the deed.

I also have a Porsche Boxter all turbo'd and maxed out that will cut similar times.

..and a Daytona Charger.. blown 540 Hemi and all.
(the all wheel drive really tames that beast of a car .. it really comes out of a corner HARD with the right power distribution ..just runs off and hides from the Bugatti Veyron)

I'd love to build any one of those in reality .. they would hurt me

-Frank aka GE

[RTHolmes]

can you drop the GT3RS's 500hp 4.0l engine into a Cayman R? I reckon that would just kill the 'ring

[CAP1]

If I may interject.....   the Dodge Viper still holds the record at Nurbering.  Track mind you.

Debate on Ford and Chevy enthusiasts!  2013 brings back the Viper into production.

And I'm reading a lot of bad press about #8 cylinders in a certain Mustang V8.  Maybe they should eliminate #8 and run on 7?   

I visited several Mustang boards and many Mustang owners are quite displeased.  Seems a lot of Ford Dealerships are

giving them heartache over this issue.

 they could do that and run on 7. that may let the challengers and camaros keep up.  

 seriously, everything i've found on #8 has been caused by tuning incorrectly. i've not yet found a #8 problem on an untouched car. if this is the case, then of course ford's not gonna do anything about it. they knew the risk when they tuned.
 
 we had a customer years ago. installed an aftermarket computer system for him, along with his new 600hp turbo engine. we talked directly with both the engine builder, and the computer guys, and set the computer exactly as they told us to set it.
 dude came back within a week, with the oil dipstick blowing out anytime he went into boost. claimed he didn't touch the computer at all. the computer guys came up from maryland, and hooked into it, and sure enough this goofball went in there, and changed virtually everything. when we called him on it, he finally admitted it, but still wanted warranty, which we all declined. he was told not to change anything. he did. he lost.

 back on ford.....they actually have a tsb specifying to look for evidence of a tune having been installed when they see these.

 wasn't the viper on racing tires?

[CAP1]

yeah it does - the start/finish straight is under 2 miles long, the other 10 miles is 150 corners strung together. simple brute force will not yield decent times.

this is a sub-8min pace lap to give you an idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlWQy-gljhs

 wellllll....they hit 196 in a mile in 2,000 elevation, and i think in the vid i saw, density altitude was over 5,000ft, 100f temps.......so in normal good air, closer to sea level.........

[CAP1]

Runnin the 'ring in Forza 3 you really get an idea of how well balanced a car has to be to do well there.

It's gotta have it all .. accel, decel, suspension, horsepower, traction .. it all has to be excellent to do under 8 minutes.

I have probably built over 50 cars in Forza 3 for fun and laffs ..some of the combo's that I can do under 8 mins are a bit surprising.

ie:
I took the boss 429 Mustang in game, took out that huge boat anchor and put in the new much lighter killer motor, converted the car to All Wheel Drive,
.. beefed up everything else I could ..and it flat out does the deed.

I also have a Porsche Boxter all turbo'd and maxed out that will cut similar times.

..and a Daytona Charger.. blown 540 Hemi and all.
(the all wheel drive really tames that beast of a car .. it really comes out of a corner HARD with the right power distribution ..just runs off and hides from the Bugatti Veyron)

I'd love to build any one of those in reality .. they would hurt me

-Frank aka GE

 one of the other forums i talk on, a guy ran his 4th gen camaro there, claiming to have hit 150 in some straights. he said it's nothing like in forza. i don't know, as i don't have forza, nor have i...or will i ever be able to.....run the ring for real.

[Shuffler]

 wasn't the viper on racing tires?

That is what they say. That makes it a non event in regards to what we were talking about.


He's flying a jug in the scenario. You know those jug drivers spend a lot of time when flying, sitting on the couch in the cockpit den reading.

[CAP1]

That is what they say. That makes it a non event in regards to what we were talking about.


He's flying a jug in the scenario. You know those jug drivers spend a lot of time when flying, sitting on the couch in the cockpit den reading.

 baZING!!   

[Hajo]

Well.....seeing as how the Challenger has won more awards then the Mustang and Camaro since its' inception
I'll leave it at that.  Also...I've won two trophies in modern era muscle category.  These cruises btw were
the only two to have that category.  My competition?  The Mustang and the Camaro.  They lost.
The MOPAR Hemi is still the icon in which other powerplants are judged.  Always was, always will
I remember when both Chevy and Ford told their NHRA drivers in the 60s "Do not get in a match race with a HEMI."
I also remember when both Ford and Chevy cried their wittle hears out about the Daytonas and Superbirds.
NASCAR complied, and the MOPAR drivers boycotted NASCAR.  NASCAR then gave in!

Dodge only manufactures 30K to 40K Challengers a year, all categories (V6 etc.)  Ford and Chevy
however flood the market.  Car and Driver included the Challenger in its list of top 10 of autos that will
be regarded as classic ten years from now.  This included some exotic cars.   Ford and Chevy had no
entrants in that list.  The 2013 year will be the last for the Challenger. They're
going to manufacture the Cuda again.  Fiat, Ferrari, Maseratti, Dodge have it right.

BTW Chyrsler is havinge yet another very big year in sales.

I've also won one trophy that included all makes, models and years.

Bantering about your favorite auto and manufacturer is fun....and I do it in jest of course.  

[Hajo]

they could do that and run on 7. that may let the challengers and camaros keep up.  

 seriously, everything i've found on #8 has been caused by tuning incorrectly. i've not yet found a #8 problem on an untouched car. if this is the case, then of course ford's not gonna do anything about it. they knew the risk when they tuned.
 
 we had a customer years ago. installed an aftermarket computer system for him, along with his new 600hp turbo engine. we talked directly with both the engine builder, and the computer guys, and set the computer exactly as they told us to set it.
 dude came back within a week, with the oil dipstick blowing out anytime he went into boost. claimed he didn't touch the computer at all. the computer guys came up from maryland, and hooked into it, and sure enough this goofball went in there, and changed virtually everything. when we called him on it, he finally admitted it, but still wanted warranty, which we all declined. he was told not to change anything. he did. he lost.

 back on ford.....they actually have a tsb specifying to look for evidence of a tune having been installed when they see these.

 wasn't the viper on racing tires?

What else do you run on a race track???  Bicycle tires?  

Always an excuse somewhere eh?   (My dog ate the homework, I was on the phone etc.)

BTW Cap....check the forums...many had no tune, it's a problem from the factory that has been acknowledged.