HO Philosphy

[titanic3]

How totally wrong.

I can out manouver the HO 95% of the time and usually do but occasionally I'll take it; sometimes because I'm forced into it due to E states or due to multi-con engagements but occasionally out of spite.  After sixteen years of perfecting my HO shot I'll win that tactic 80% of the time if not more.

If you really want to HO bring it and we'll see who wins.  If I lose I'll try not to complain.

EDIT:  As stated many times in the past my guns are generally converged at 400-650 yards and most likely 650 if I'm going to accept a HO.  Where are yours?  You'll be dead before you stop spraying and praying.

The faster you go, the better chances of you winning a HO. My favorite thing to do is HO in a 262 ( although in reality, they never had an equal chance). Come in at 500mph+, fire a 10 round burst at 1000, break off at 800 and watch the other guy fly into your bullets. It's ridiculously easy and hilarious and works everytime. People are so intent on killing your jet that they ignore the bullets.

I turn my tracers off for an even bigger surprise. Nit to mention the first few times you do it, it's adrenaline pumping as hell .

[Shuffler]

Not quite... HOs were the prescribed attack method against bombers, but were also used by 109s against P-51s, Jugs, any Soviet fighter, etc... Every plane did it, regardless of relative strength of airframe or of firepower.


It was a common attack.

They also rammed with 109s and 190s. Last ditch effort.

But this is a game where you don't really doe... so why not fight.

[Midway]

They also rammed with 109s and 190s. Last ditch effort.

But this is a game where you don't really doe... so why not fight.

HOing and ramming is fun for some people.  It is just a game so if they want to have fun that way....great...  They're not going to die nor will you....just reup.  I have fun with people trying to HO or ram me.... especially as I shoot em down.

If you let them ram or HO you.... well, learn to avoid it....might be fun for you too.

 

[Letalis]

All things being equal, the HO appears to be a 50/50 proposition to the newb as well as some "vets."  The frustrated noob may have his .23 k/d ratio in the back of his mind when he HOs, the vet has his 2.0+ k/d somewhere in the back of his.  90% of the time the newb loses after the merge- views, throttle, rudder, flaps=fail.  It takes a while to master that stuff.  The HO does feel like a stupid, anticlimactic way to end a fight, but my perspective is biased toward vet.  I have died once to a HO once in the last tour and remember getting at least two kills. Both kills were out of phase "rudder shots" against slow spits at the top of a rope, while flying an F4U- very safe from my perspective.  My point is, if you're expecting the HO every time you're highly unlikely to die from it. Not just that, the vets should be better at the HO than the newb!  How is it a vet can complain about a HO?    

If you're a "vet" complaining about the tardy equalizing nature of the HO, you're probably still dying from HO attempts. Maybe, just maybe, you're still not "vet" enough... (random subconcious Time magazine reference?)

[Krusty]

They also rammed with 109s and 190s. Last ditch effort.

But this is a game where you don't really doe... so why not fight.

The ramming was limited to specific specially equipped units and really was a last ditch thing. The HOing was standard practice for years.

[Slash27]

Anyone else notice Bustr's been kinda grumpy lately? I vote we send him a bottle of scotch in the hopes he either drinks himself happy, or passes out. Whatever comes first.

Don't send alcohol unless you want more of those long winded self righteous walls of drivel.

[homersipes]

wow this thread is getting pretty heated all over CARTOON AIRPLANES.   I read somewhere in this thread that the HOers pay their 15 a month just as the rest of us.  just my poinion is that they are entitled to do as they please just as the rest of us.  I don't HO unless 3v1 or way outnumbered, but thats just me, I like to get into turn fights, the Joe Schmoe hoing may not like to turn fight he likes to ho. different strokes for different folks.  dang yall why you guys getting all mad at eachother like a bunch of school yard kids????????  why cant we JUST GET ALONG

[W7LPNRICK]

Again more elitist snobbery, no more correct than the others.

If you don't care about death, you don't bother evading when you pick up a tail. You don't look around. You don't pull up when the ground is looming in your viewscreen. You don't shoot your guns. There's tons of stuff you don't do if you don't care about cartoon death. You cannot pin this all on a single minor fraction of all the options available.

And many people that like dogfighting and pretending they're WW2 pilots HO as well.


P.S. You're saying very little relevance in this game, but then claim an elitist high road for those that TRY to recreate historic relevance. Make up your mind and stick to your argument.

Ooooo, hey Fugi, now you're an elitist snob.  I bet he want tea & crumpets with that... 

[Debrody]

Krusty, youre just plainly awesome.
Allright, lets play your game, im taking all your words as the pure truth.

There's no way you can explain that a HO is "lame, pointless, low" -- because it's not. That's all your biased opinion. I can explain to you and show how rolling scissors is lame, pointless, and boring as hell (which I do believe), but if I condemn somebody else for doing it it only speaks badly about ME, not about them.

So hoings is not lame but but rolling scissors is extremely boring. mmmkay, let it be. Please explain it to me what is more exciting in a head on spray than in a 5 minutes scissoring dogfight. Please... My opinion is biased, huh? Of course! How could an opinion not to be biased? I tryed both, yessir, i was a hoing newb too, exactly as long as 3 weeks. That was enough from it and i think i got enough reasons and rights even to form such a biased opinion.

That is an extremely snobby and elitist commentary.

Sure, good Sir, it is. Elitist, huh? Do i think im an elite warrior based on my flying skills? Sure i do, just ask Krupinski, Joachim, Irish, Bighorn, Suns, Spek, Mar, Batfink, Bruv, Latrobe, heck even RedBull or any better stick how they used to pwn me again and again. I got a good reason the be elitist, aye... Snobby? Cuz i respected them instead of "vDALLAS"? I am 21, plz dont even try to tell me who can i respect and who i cant. Cuz i preferred the fights like whats on the film i linked before, instead of the 2 seconds head on? Cuz i thought dogfighting is en elementary part of an air combat game? Cuz i even say my opinion on be BBS about it?

What a mistake... i apologize for being such a worthless person, shame on me.
Still, let me be elitist just a little bit more and serve You an absolutely snobby example: Given 5 hoers and 5 random pilots from the <few/tg/kn/80th/rollinghtunder/39/DFC members or anyone who likes a fight>. Who will win the fight? Why will they win the fight? Maybe they are willing to get better? Maybe air combat maneuvering is superior to hoing? Maybe air combat maneuverers are superior to the hoers? Maybe they are... //whispering it very quietly...//  ..."elite" amongst the mob?
 

[Mar]

Do i think im an elite warrior based on my flying skills? Sure i do, just ask Krupinski, Joachim, Irish, Bighorn, Suns, Spek, Mar, Batfink, Bruv, Latrobe, heck even RedBull or any better stick how they used to pwn me again and again.

I shall back up this elitist snob-warrior with some of my own very loud and obnoxious chest-thumping.

I have fought sir Debrody many times in the past and beat him mercilessly every time, though taking notice that his skill increased with each encounter, up to a point not too long ago where he handed me my rump at least once by exercising superior control over his aircraft. No man who HO's as a way of fighting could do what this man has done!

[coombz]

I saw Krusty in the MA last night calling some P51 driver a HO dweeb, so he clearly can't practice what he preaches

he's just kind of a windbag, do what everyone else does and ignore him  

[Shuffler]

wow this thread is getting pretty heated all over CARTOON AIRPLANES.   I read somewhere in this thread that the HOers pay their 15 a month just as the rest of us.  just my poinion is that they are entitled to do as they please just as the rest of us.  I don't HO unless 3v1 or way outnumbered, but thats just me, I like to get into turn fights, the Joe Schmoe hoing may not like to turn fight he likes to ho. different strokes for different folks.  dang yall why you guys getting all mad at eachother like a bunch of school yard kids????????  why cant we JUST GET ALONG

I'm going to poke you in the eye with a toothpick

[BaldEagl]

nm

[ink]

Not quite... HOs were the prescribed attack method against bombers, but were also used by 109s against P-51s, Jugs, any Soviet fighter, etc... Every plane did it, regardless of relative strength of airframe or of firepower.


It was a common attack.

the only accounts I have heard about are the P40's against the Zero's....and attacking bombers head on.....I would be quite surprised to find out they told the 109 pilots to attack a 47 with 8 MG's head on.....the best German pilot was a surprise fighter who 90% of his victims never saw him coming....as far as I knew that's how they were taught.....

I could be wrong


if you could back up what you are saying...I would like to read about it.

[Tank-Ace]

I saw Krusty in the MA last night calling some P51 driver a HO dweeb, so he clearly can't practice what he preaches

he's just kind of a windbag, do what everyone else does and ignore him  

For once, we're in agreement.