HO Philosphy

[Midway]

Allright, i give it up, its totally worthless. I tryed to explain why it might not to be the best for them (fun factor), why its the worst for me (fun factor), at the end im just arguing with myself.
Go Hoers, see how many are standing behind you, have so much "fun". I cant stand you, you can hate me too.
out, DOH.

   

[The Fugitive]

When you make your credit card contractual agreement with HTC there is no stipulation in it that you will be considered anathma for the use of game tactics other wise than stipulated in that agreement.

Subsiquently as a loosly associated mob, feeling the entitalment of years in grade or elevated skillz. That you have the right to label and harass other customers as bad or lesser men for choosing to play this game differently than what you favor. Based on "No Such Rule" that does not exist in anyone's customer agreement contract with HTC.

Sounds like contractual law "logical nonsense" 101. You have to separate the logic from the nonsense and show a bias for the nonsense. Well gentelemen. At least you are not wearing anything other than the Internet to hide your identities.
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This is a kids game dominated by adults playing in a fish bowl under mob rule. Who seem to not beleive all paying customers $14.95 is as good as their $14.95 becasue of how long they have been associated with this game or based on their AUWSUMMM skillzzz.

So which is it gents. You are better than everyone else because you have been here longer? Or you got the skillz which makes everthing you do and say always right?

Or is everyone's $14.95 exactly equal making everyone's choice to how they play this game exactly equal?

Don't resort to the egalitarian canard of experience or skillz helps you to have a better feel for whats good for the whole community. Thats HTC's job whom we pay the same $14.95 to be the legal responsible party making those decisions. We pay a fee to play a kids game, not to take part in a customer driven group social engineering experiment agianst our will. You are a mob passing judgement on customers not part of your lose affinity group. They pay the same $14.95 as you for how they choose to fly their airplanes and press a button to go piu, piu piu in a cartoon game. You as a collective have mutualy decided that's not good enough.

The "Samual Colt" manuver works, and is a bite when you get caught by it. And it feels so unfair in the face of years of experience or auwsum skillz that you can be stopped with such a simple childs tactic. Do you see anybody but the time in grade and skillz guys complaining about the "Samual Colt" manuver while carrying on a campaign to personaly stigmatize it's users year after year?

As long as HTC does not make it a game offence to use the "Samual Colt" manuver. You as a group are 100% wrong in stigmatising any player for using it in any manner they choose. Your only honest recourse within the rules of the game is to Wishlist HTC for the disabling of the function globaly. Barring that, polish your "Samual Colt" evasion skillz.

As you pointed out, its a mob so we are playing under "mob rules" as there are no strait forward rules other than "don't be a dick"

The problem comes of there not being a clear majority of one side or the other and so we see this thread rehashed over and over again.

I understand the sentiment; I've just never seen it as effective or realistic.

I've had a fair amount of experience in the game, and have simply never run across an opponent who I felt leaned on the HO as their one and only move.  Never.  Every single person who's ever attempted an HO on me is willing to turn and try to shoot me from many different angles.

I've also been witness to literally thousands of incidents where someone belittled or attempted to shame someone for using the HO.  I've never, however, seen the "belittler" or "shamer" come across looking like anyone worth emulating.  IMO, they always come across as whiners at absolute best, but often as loud-mouthed bullies as well.  Not any semblance of being a "positive role model" that someone would strive to emulate.  (I'm basing this observation on words/text, not skill).

I've also trained GOBS of folks.  I've never yet had someone approach me, striving to improve, based on belittling comments they'd gotten.  Invariably, they were there looking to improve because they were simply driven to do better.  Not because they felt shamed into improving...

And, honestly, I see those who vocally denounce the HO as being responsible for a large part of it's popularity.  People are HOing (at least in part) because people tell them not to.  Anytime a "dangerous" player admits to being shot down by a "newb" HOing, it makes the HO look effective.  That makes people want to try it.  It also makes it look like the HO is a way to break into an experienced pilot's armor, so to speak.

then you must be killing them on the first pass    Even those with more "E" will chop their throttle to make the turn that I have no real choice to make to get in my face. With their E they could easily add a vertical element to there turn and drop in behind my 3-9 line a take a good shot but in stead will blow their E to get in my face for the shot. If that isn't doing the same HO maneuver time after time I don't know what is.

A plyer learning to get better will try the vert move to get behind the 3-9 line, a person leaning on the HO crutch will blow the E for the HO shot. That the difference.

[mtnman]

then you must be killing them on the first pass    Even those with more "E" will chop their throttle to make the turn that I have no real choice to make to get in my face. With their E they could easily add a vertical element to there turn and drop in behind my 3-9 line a take a good shot but in stead will blow their E to get in my face for the shot. If that isn't doing the same HO maneuver time after time I don't know what is.

A plyer learning to get better will try the vert move to get behind the 3-9 line, a person leaning on the HO crutch will blow the E for the HO shot. That the difference.

So, are you saying that these folks wouldn't try to shoot you from a different angle?  Or that if they couldn't shoot you in the face they'd pass on the shot and wait for an HO opportunity?

My stomach hurts from the "crutch" comment, lol!  That's funny.  the HO isn't effective enough on an experienced pilot to be considered any sort of crutch.

[The Fugitive]

What I'm saying, as an experienced cartoon pilot, if I have more E than the guy I'm fighting I'm NOT going to do everything I can do to pull around and shoot the guy in the face. As a more "experienced cartoon pilot" I will add a vertical element to my attack USING the extra E I have over the other guy and get be hind his 3-9 line (where is is safe from his guns) to set up my shot.

Someone less experienced, or stuck in there learning and leaning on the only real maneuver they know.... the HO doesn't do this, nor do they think to try this. They do everything they can to get there nose around and shoot the other guy in the face. So no, they DON"T TRY to shoot you from a different angle, because they only know one angle, strait on, guns blazing.

[ink]

What I'm saying, as an experienced cartoon pilot, if I have more E than the guy I'm fighting I'm NOT going to do everything I can do to pull around and shoot the guy in the face. As a more "experienced cartoon pilot" I will add a vertical element to my attack USING the extra E I have over the other guy and get be hind his 3-9 line (where is is safe from his guns) to set up my shot.

Someone less experienced, or stuck in there learning and leaning on the only real maneuver they know.... the HO doesn't do this, nor do they think to try this. They do everything they can to get there nose around and shoot the other guy in the face. So no, they DON"T TRY to shoot you from a different angle, because they only know one angle, strait on, guns blazing.

for the noobs I don't think its so much they want to shoot you in the "face", I think its just the simple fact that they want to put guns on you and fire and get a kill....it don't matter to them where the bullets land or that they may be in your sights.....

as someone learns more....that there is something called ACM.......but still relies on the HO.... that's where the issues are and when they become tards and should be laughed at

[jtdragon]

TAKES TWO TO HO, don't want to be HO'd break off and I will then get on your 6.

[bustr]

What's being rehased is human nature in the face of near complete freedom and the perception that a social control vacume exists.

Outside of Special Events, there is no need for player imposed game play controls other than players playing in any manner they choose to create opportunities to have fun. If you don't like the fun in one location go make your own fun in another.

Don't decide unilateraly for the good of the game or your personal orientation to the game an unofficial Game Play Peer Police group is needed to make sure everyones fun meets some arbitrary criterions set by you. There is no statement to that in our customer agreement with HTC as a condition to play this game that we will have our fun imposed upon us by the unofficial Game Play Peer Police.

Nothing is broken. Only personal perceptions that something is broken by people who look for excuses to declair something broken. Then leverage that as a platform to build coalitions around to weild social power where non is needed or wanted. Even if it's indirectly enforced through soft tyranny by socialy stigmatising the targeted individuals or groups. It's not in the contract any paying customer enters into with HTC to have imposed on them. Verbal insults are expected in combat games like this with the high spirits it induces. Long term soft tyranny is called bullying in the real world and begining to be taken very seriously in the real world.

All players have the right to be left alone by you HO nannies and correct game play nannies at all times free of any kind of retributive conduct or communications. HTC has rules in place for unacceptable verbal conduct other wise.

Their $14.95 a month contract with HTC protects that expectation. If they choose at some time in the future to enjoy your suggestions to another way to play the game. That's their right to investigate what you have to offer. But, untill then, leave them alone and cut out the denigrating bulling against them for shooting at other aircraft when oriented face to face. Or for not aspiring to your vauge visions of the only true way to play this game.

The conduct of the HO Nannies and Game Play Peer Police that I've watched for a decade now boarders on the description of a hostile workplace in spirit, IF, one didn't understand the relationship of blow over from the arenas to this forum by the culture practiced in this game.

[Daddkev]

  Everybody ho,s...................sometimes! 

[BaldEagl]

drivel drivel drivel

How late do you stay up at night coming up with this stuff trying to sound smart?

The simple fact of the matter is the HO is a losing proposition.  Except in very specific conditions if the person who HO's does try to fight afterward rather than simply running away they've just given away the fight.

Should we all stand by and tell them they're doing a good job?  WTG?

Frankly, the ridicule of this tactic does more for the HOers development in the game than it does harm to their egos.  We all know that eventually the light will come on and they'll grow out of the HO.  I see no problem with the community hastening the process.  I've seen many habitual HOers change over the years including myself.  Some of their own accord, some due to ridicule.

Of couse maybe you're just one of those guys who would rather keep them clueless to give you some type of advantage.  As trainers have stated here they don't teach the HO.  My guess is you'll never be a trainer.  

As far as encouraging a tactic doomed to fail over the long term, WTG!  After all there's no rules against it and it's their $14.95 until they get frustrated and quit and then it's really their $14.95.  Unfortunately at that point it's our loss.

[nrshida]

Bustr's posts are starting to feel like a HO to me. So many words, fired with such vitriolic righteousness and indignation at such a range and yet somehow he keeps missing the target!

[RedBull1]

Bustr's posts are starting to feel like a HO to me. So many words, fired with such vitriolic righteousness and indignation at such a range and yet somehow he keeps missing the target!

[Tank-Ace]

TAKES TWO TO HO, don't want to be HO'd break off and I will then get on your 6.

Perfect example of what Ink was talking about. More expirienced pilot, knows about ACM, but then uses the HO and says "You either let the shell randomization determin who wins this one, or let me get on your 6".

[Tank-Ace]

Bustr's posts are starting to feel like a HO to me. So many words, fired with such vitriolic righteousness and indignation at such a range and yet somehow he keeps missing the target!

Hitech, I propose we give nrshida the 'On snap!' award  .

[coombz]

excessive verbosity != intelligence

bustr tries so hard

[Slash27]

Bustr's posts are starting to feel like a HO to me. So many words, fired with such vitriolic righteousness and indignation at such a range and yet somehow he keeps missing the target!