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Offline mtnman

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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #240 on: June 04, 2012, 06:34:41 AM »
What I'm saying, as an experienced cartoon pilot, if I have more E than the guy I'm fighting I'm NOT going to do everything I can do to pull around and shoot the guy in the face. As a more "experienced cartoon pilot" I will add a vertical element to my attack USING the extra E I have over the other guy and get be hind his 3-9 line (where is is safe from his guns) to set up my shot.

Someone less experienced, or stuck in there learning and leaning on the only real maneuver they know.... the HO doesn't do this, nor do they think to try this. They do everything they can to get there nose around and shoot the other guy in the face. So no, they DON"T TRY to shoot you from a different angle, because they only know one angle, strait on, guns blazing.

This description does not sound like they're using the HO as a "primary tactic" to me.  It sounds like they simply want to get guns on you.  I don't see any evidence that they actually want to shoot you in the face at all.

They're just maneuvering to get guns on you, and due to you doing the same, you arrive at a near HO situation.

The Ho shot isn't the goal, it's the outcome.
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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #241 on: June 04, 2012, 07:30:51 AM »
In the same realm of this topic is the vulch,  I came up with a working definition last night in game.  It is meant to be silly so enjoy!

The one being vulched:
One who places themselves in a position where there is a significant chance that they will be killed and choose to whine about it after the event.  For instance, taking off from a field fully capped by the enemy and expecting different results after being killed.

  • Some always complain when killed.
  • Some choose to place themselves in positions where there is a high possibility of being killed.

Hey it is a game and their $ so that is just their way.  :lol
« Last Edit: June 04, 2012, 09:27:17 AM by Slade »
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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #242 on: June 04, 2012, 04:04:59 PM »
In WW2 In the Pacific the flying tigers used the ho method in the P40 Warhawk so yes it is a fair method


that is what I meant to say
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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #243 on: June 04, 2012, 04:28:26 PM »
<S> NikonGuy   my philosophy on the HO shot is that, even though it was used in WW2, it surely wasnt taught in academy to go nose to nose with another flying weapon platform, if you could help it. its 50/50 in our cartoon game and real life. also, in game we arent faced with the threat of losing a real war for real countries to hitler. the fliers in WW2 had to be desperate and take that HO shot if they had it. we dont have to be that desperate for a kill, we can take the chance and try out flying the red icons. personally, i like the idea of trying to out think the other guy, using the machine im flying, to its strengths. im 5 months into my game, i hoed the first two weeks, but when a good stick came around, i couldnt outfly him/her. since then, im at the progression of my game, that i pick my fights according to my best advantage, when i can. that means not bein the middle of any type of furball. instead, pick the pickers using advantage and acm, might accidentally find a good fight this way too. or, maybe pick the cap vulch at your friendly base, give your guys a chance to up if they dare. basically going full on double tactical rainbow. by finding the fight i want, i seem to be dying a lot less from HO shots.  :rock

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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #244 on: June 04, 2012, 04:29:14 PM »
Wow, the topic of HO's pops up again...

It always amazes me how emotional people get about a simple, legitimate, tactic.  Particularly when the people who voice their concern the most would seem to be the ones skilled enough to be least affected by it.

I still stand by the idea that the fights in AH benefit greatly from the fact that an HO is possible.

I personally don't use the tactic, as I find it too risky.  And it's not something that I would ever teach (it's so simple that it really doesn't need to be taught anyway).

But I certainly don't mind if someone wants to try it against me...  And whether  my opponent uses the tactic or not I see the fact that it could be used to be immensely important.  It keeps the fight "honest".

Removing the HO possibility (either through programming or social stigma) would degrade aerial combat in AH, and make it a sham.

I honestly can't fathom why anyone who values "high quality" fights would speak against it???



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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #245 on: June 04, 2012, 09:38:25 PM »
Calm down... don't get so emotional.  :neener:

You sir, have a rare gift!

I've never seen one of my posts summarized so succinctly.

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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #246 on: June 04, 2012, 10:19:12 PM »
 Out of game. The Ho is nothing more than mental aggression . and should be defended against. :devil

In game it should be defended against. :devil

I welcome a ho attack in game as i am not that good and it allows me to club baby seals.
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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #247 on: June 04, 2012, 10:30:41 PM »
I cannot name 1 person that will not ho on first pass.

Plain and simple if I could remember 1 person that does not Ho - then I would praise that person with a free account.

not one person.

/Who cares, people pay to Ho.
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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #248 on: June 04, 2012, 11:08:58 PM »
I cannot name 1 person that will not ho on first pass.

Plain and simple if I could remember 1 person that does not Ho - then I would praise that person with a free account.

not one person.

/Who cares, people pay to Ho.


Midway does not HO because Midway is guaranteed to NOMOHO. :aok

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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #249 on: June 05, 2012, 07:18:21 AM »
I cannot name 1 person that will not ho on first pass.

Plain and simple if I could remember 1 person that does not Ho - then I would praise that person with a free account.

not one person.

/Who cares, people pay to Ho.


So...will you send the check directly to HTC...?

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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #250 on: June 06, 2012, 08:43:25 PM »
I am asking a serious question here, so please no rants or belittling.

I don't understand why a HO upsets so many when:

a. It was used in actual combat
b. Pointing your guns at another opponent is an act of aggression

Its a tactic that for some reason in AH has this whole taboo stigma attached to it and based on point B. if an opponent attempts to point his guns at me, no matter from what direction then I will fire !!

I am also finding on occasion that after checking the film back find that the person making the HO claims actually fired themselves, which is beyond belief .. !!

Would love peoples thoughts :)

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     Cause any time that stupid people go nose to nose for a HO shot 90% of the time it ends in a mid air. They don't make sense to me either, the 6 O' clock position seems better and my six 50s and fragile P-51 is not a match head on to cannon armed fighters. Most my kills are maneuvering and yea ill say it, picks and BnZ. Head on shots to me are just a bad idea for most aircraft.

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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #251 on: June 07, 2012, 10:23:44 AM »

So...will you send the check directly to HTC...?

- oldman

Ditto!



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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #252 on: June 09, 2012, 05:28:17 PM »
I been a bad bad boy. I figured if someone is stupid enough to come right at me nose to nose & doesn't pull away in my 110, BrBrBrBrBrBrp! 30mm's poof! if they are in a KI, or Nikki, I know they're going to out maneuver me or catch me on my 6, so even if they pull away, I try to snap shoot them on the way by. Poof, usually 1 round slop shot will do it. How many times do you get a ball in on the break? or the 8 ball?  I'm bad  :uhoh  :noid
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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #253 on: June 09, 2012, 05:39:58 PM »
I been a bad bad boy. I figured if someone is stupid enough to come right at me nose to nose & doesn't pull away in my 110, BrBrBrBrBrBrp! 30mm's poof! if they are in a KI, or Nikki, I know they're going to out maneuver me or catch me on my 6, so even if they pull away, I try to snap shoot them on the way by. Poof, usually 1 round slop shot will do it. How many times do you get a ball in on the break? or the 8 ball?  I'm bad  :uhoh  :noid

in this situation a HO is perfectly legit shot, would never down a guy in a 110 hoin.... :aok

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Re: HO Philosphy
« Reply #254 on: June 10, 2012, 01:09:03 PM »
Head On Passes were used in combat so can we Please Move on Thank you very much :mad:
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