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Offline RedBull1

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Re: Ranking system change
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2012, 05:08:27 PM »
Your metrics need to reflect what being the best means for each fish bowl.

In the DA Debroy is 100% correct in the manner of choosing who's best. There is no other way to decide the best duelist but have averyone who is a duelist duel until only one duelist remains.

The MA has a multitiude of goals to be accomplished by a larger pool of players. So the DA manner of choosing the best is irrelevant to the multitiude of goals being measured. If you have years of MA SA experience, then more often your shooting ability in any moment is more important to your Hit%. SHawk is an excellent example of this. From time to time when accomplished duelists with years of MA and DA experience decide to achive high rank based on the curent metric. They have a higher success rates at achiving the goal but, don't always hit the mark. In the MA there is always one more con than you accounted for diving in after you.

I would speculate if it's purely fighter to fighter Hit% in the MA. You cannot achive a high Hit% purely on assists by the definition of High Hit%. It means you are activily engaging the enemy so the probability is you are killing a High percentage of those you engage.

If this whole conversation Vinkman is a cover for rehasing the merits of ENY ride choices as a veiled measure of a players real skill level for you to thump your chest over. And number of kills is the metric to measure how good you are relative to the rest of the MA. Why don't you be honest and simply Wishlist the following:
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Hitech I have a Wish.

Please create a new metric to Hallmark LWMA pilot success in the monthly pilot statistics posted on the front page of the AH WEB Site. Call it the "Vinkman Curve" or "Debroy's Revenge". Base it upon the pilot statistic of the greatest number of late war ENY aircraft shot down in the ENY range of 5-10 by the pilot flying the highest ENY aircaft in the range of 30-40.
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Vinkman I bet Lusche can teach you how to pull this metric your self and you can monthly start up a post in the forum showing the winner. Like Lusche is the Keeper of the Graphs. You can become the Keeper of the high ENY pilot kill stats or the monthly "Vinkman Curve" review.
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Re: Ranking system change
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2012, 05:33:28 PM »
Vinkman,

Gotta admit the guy winning that thing each month would either have a second account or is one bad arse muva in LWMA terms. It might rekindle interest and an active cadre of practitioners with fans becoming particapants themselves. Kermit was at his best when he took up an interest in the 109E and regularly landed kills.

Kind of miss that Frency challenge from 2004 to fly the D25 for a month and land the most kills with the least deaths. Frenchy told me later some players may have been using second accounts to pad their numbers to get the trophy he offered.

Other than a monthly metric to post on the WEB page, it would nice if a running freindly competition would come back concerning the dedicated use of high ENY fighters to put up high monthly kill numbers.

Every time my squad goes on a fun run fighter sweep in high ENY fighters. It's anything but fun trying to stay alive once we engage a hoard of low ENY defenders. I get rudely reminded of how easy it is to land big kill strings in LW low ENY easy mode fighters becasue you can disengage almost at will from sticky situations. Those high ENY planes are the epotomy of last man standing if you want to go home alive. You are either dead or the last man standing.

Thats why keeping score in the MA is so strange. The diversity of objectives you can measure players against makes it almost worthless to measure anyone. One would think in terms of fighters the best of the best would be the players who can land large kill strings all month long in the highest ENY planes becasue they are so good that they will always be the last man standing. Instead they are usualy flying planes with the ability to disengage at will leveraging the engine power and gun packages of their rides. I'm not even sure how bombers are being measured. Is it for the most objects destroyed with bombs every month? Or the most destroyed and getting back alive? Or the most destroyed in a high ENY bomber and getting back alive?

What objective standard is being used to measure who is best every month? Last I recently heard you can still finess it to some degree by following a formula. Guess then you are being measured on your ability to follow that formula rather than how many times a month you are the last man standing.

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Offline RedBull1

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Re: Ranking system change
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2012, 05:43:08 PM »
Vinkman,

Gotta admit the guy winning that thing each month would either have a second account or is one bad arse muva in LWMA terms. It might rekindle interest and an active cadre of practitioners with fans becoming particapants themselves. Kermit was at his best when he took up an interest in the 109E and regularly landed kills.

Kind of miss that Frency challenge from 2004 to fly the D25 for a month and land the most kills with the least deaths. Frenchy told me later some players may have been using second accounts to pad their numbers to get the trophy he offered.

Other than a monthly metric to post on the WEB page, it would nice if a running freindly competition would come back concerning the dedicated use of high ENY fighters to put up high monthly kill numbers.

Every time my squad goes on a fun run fighter sweep in high ENY fighters. It's anything but fun trying to stay alive once we engage a hoard of low ENY defenders. I get rudely reminded of how easy it is to land big kill strings in LW low ENY easy mode fighters becasue you can disengage almost at will from sticky situations. Those high ENY planes are the epotomy of last man standing if you want to go home alive. You are either dead or the last man standing.

Thats why keeping score in the MA is so strange. The diversity of objectives you can measure players against makes it almost worthless to measure anyone. One would think in terms of fighters the best of the best would be the players who can land large kill strings all month long in the highest ENY planes becasue they are so good that they will always be the last man standing. Instead they are usualy flying planes with the ability to disengage at will leveraging the engine power and gun packages of their rides. I'm not even sure how bombers are being measured. Is it for the most objects destroyed with bombs every month? Or the most destroyed and getting back alive? Or the most destroyed in a high ENY bomber and getting back alive?

What objective standard is being used to measure who is best every month? Last I recently heard you can still finess it to some degree by following a formula. Guess then you are being measured on your ability to follow that formula rather than how many times a month you are the last man standing.

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Redbull,

Need the phone number of a good opthamologist? I do attempt to make it unecessary to use a dictonairy where possible. But, I was under the impression in a first world economy reading and writing is fundimental to success and should be practiced at all times, just like practicing ACM in the DA.
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Re: Ranking system change
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2012, 05:45:26 PM »
Vinkman,

Gotta admit the guy winning that thing each month would either have a second account or is one bad arse muva in LWMA terms. It might rekindle interest and an active cadre of practitioners with fans becoming particapants themselves. Kermit was at his best when he took up an interest in the 109E and regularly landed kills.

Kind of miss that Frency challenge from 2004 to fly the D25 for a month and land the most kills with the least deaths. Frenchy told me later some players may have been using second accounts to pad their numbers to get the trophy he offered.

Other than a monthly metric to post on the WEB page, it would nice if a running freindly competition would come back concerning the dedicated use of high ENY fighters to put up high monthly kill numbers.

Every time my squad goes on a fun run fighter sweep in high ENY fighters. It's anything but fun trying to stay alive once we engage a hoard of low ENY defenders. I get rudely reminded of how easy it is to land big kill strings in LW low ENY easy mode fighters becasue you can disengage almost at will from sticky situations. Those high ENY planes are the epotomy of last man standing if you want to go home alive. You are either dead or the last man standing.

Thats why keeping score in the MA is so strange. The diversity of objectives you can measure players against makes it almost worthless to measure anyone. One would think in terms of fighters the best of the best would be the players who can land large kill strings all month long in the highest ENY planes becasue they are so good that they will always be the last man standing. Instead they are usualy flying planes with the ability to disengage at will leveraging the engine power and gun packages of their rides. I'm not even sure how bombers are being measured. Is it for the most objects destroyed with bombs every month? Or the most destroyed and getting back alive? Or the most destroyed in a high ENY bomber and getting back alive?

What objective standard is being used to measure who is best every month? Last I recently heard you can still finess it to some degree by following a formula. Guess then you are being measured on your ability to follow that formula rather than how many times a month you are the last man standing.

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Redbull,

Need the phone number of a good opthamologist? I do attempt to make it unecessary to use a dictonairy where possible. But, I was under the impression in a first world economy reading and writing is fundimental to success and should be practiced at all times, just like practicing ACM in the DA.




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