Ranking system change

[Vinkman]

I think the ranking system should be modified to substitute PERKS EARNED in lieu of HIT PERCENTAGE.

Hit percentage often makes a big difference in rank, but I've never been sure why it is used. Is it a skill metric?
If so I think PERKS EARNED is a better metric. you earn perks by flying less capable planes against more capable planes. That seems like a better metric of skill than hit%. Also the rank is currently un-affected by ENY. So if you score all your points and kills in a tempest or a Pony, you are ranked even with a pilot that achieved the same results in a P-39. That seems kind of silly.

Since the Fighter Rank is based on your rank in all the categories, taking out the hit% and putting in the PERKS earned would help to compansate for the type of plane you fly.

While people would still play for score, they would have to cut down on the percentage of ponies and typhies they fly and run away in to actually be highly ranked.

I know EVERYONE says they don't play for score. It would be interesting to see how the game is affected by this simple change.

 

Vinkman

[Midway]

<enters vinky's brain>

<leaves message:> Agree with problem but need better solution than using perks as perks can be farmed.  Me flying my Spit9 all day long, earning perks, shooting down / picking inferior turners does not make me a highly skilled fighter.   Note Bruv's hit pct which is one of the reasons he is highly skilled.  He knows how to get close and hit hard in 1 v 1 or 1 v many.  

<leaves vinky's brain rather quickly>

  Communicating with Vinky can be fun.  

[Midway]

I think who you fight and beat consistently is the best measure of skill.

Is there a better solution to measure this?  

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I think who you fight and beat consistently is the best measure of skill.

Is there a better solution to measure this?  

ahhh yup

[Midway]

ahhh yup

If you are or are not implying a dueling ladder is better, I, as you know, would disagree.   Highly skilled needs to include all the variety of MA encounters instead of just the sterile, and somewhat dull, environment of a 1 v 1 duel.

SA and the ability to take down the right target at the right time is a key component of skill as is knowing when to engage and when to run home to land 8+ kills.

  Study the best pilots and find a way to measure their activities.

I like hit pct included mostly because pilots like Bruv have higher ones than pilots like me.  

[Debrody]

Dueling is the fundament of all. No need for more lickitty licking, midway. Cuz many BnZing a few isnt skillful. Cuz the spit is like a plaza-kitty: whatever you do, the success will be yours.

I give a +1 to Vinkman's idea.

[Midway]

Dueling is the fundament of all. No need for more lickitty licking, midway. Cuz many BnZing a few isnt skillful. Cuz the spit is like a plaza-kitty: whatever you do, the success will be yours.

I give a +1 to Vinkman's idea.

You get picked a lot and complain about it often.  Your SA, IMHO, is not what it should be (neither is mine)....

Improve your SA, avoid getting picked, and your skill level will improve (as should your rank).

Kazaa also appeared to be very good at this as well as Leviathn from what I can tell.

  A highly skilled pilot is also a very smart pilot. 

[Vinkman]

The Rank system is not used to determine who the highest skilled fighter pilot is. That is only an element of it. It is used to determine who wins the tour. I'm addressing Rank based on score. PERKS EARNED should be part of the score, becaue the capability of the plane you get all your points in should be a factor in who wins the tour.

for clarity, PERKS EARNED are specific to the TOUR and ARENA. PERKs farmedin EW wouldn't count in LW, and PERKS carried over from previous tours would not count either.

[Midway]

The Rank system is not used to determine who the highest skilled fighter pilot is. That is only an element of it. It is used to determine who wins the tour. I'm addressing Rank based on score. PERKS EARNED should be part of the score, becaue the capability of the plane you get all your points in should be a factor in who wins the tour.

The fighter rank component should.   If you are ranked nbr 1 on the fighter ranking, you should be the best, based on skill, that tour.  The metrics should be set to figure that out, in my humble opinion.   

[ink]

I am sorry to say it midway but you will never "get" it.....bruv is a great shot yup...definitely a better shot then I am.....hell a blind monkey with bananas in his eye's is a better shot then I....
as far as ACM he is no better then many I have fought and killed.... some are way better at ACM then he is and I have made them look silly (on my good days).....your obsession with him is down right strange and kinda creepy....

because of this obsession you will never make it to his level or even come close, I see you write lots of things about killing this one or that one...buddy MA is a cesspool that means nothing unless it was a straight up 1vs1 with equal E it means squat....you fly with friendlies...I know you do you cant deny it...killing someone while he is fighting Multi cons ALSO means squat....

score and RANK mean squat...you talk about getting good and that's what you want...but the best tool in game to get good you refuse to except....you only care about the kill you do not care about getting better....

staying in the spit and not staying in the ladder are 2 reasons why I say these things...also bragging about killing someone in the MA situation while most likely you had the number advantage tells me all I need to know.

I am not insulting you don't take it that way.....you should read it and take it in.....without thinking I am picking on you...because I am not.......

it does come down to your 15 bucks to fly with how you see fit...

I will say this for you....you fight and that deserves mention...considering how the MA is now a days.

[Debrody]

You get picked a lot and complain about it often.  Your SA, IMHO, is not what it should be (neither is mine)....
Improve your SA, avoid getting picked, and your skill level will improve (as should your rank).
  A highly skilled pilot is also a very smart pilot. 

I been number one for a couple weeks only flying the 109, finished a couple months in the top10 flying an eny30 ride. Tell me my SA suxed. Also i would only talk in past tense about me.
There are many pilots out there i couldnt beat yet none of them is bragging about their score. Your licking behaviour is odd. .ignore

[Midway]

I am sorry to say it midway but you will never "get" it.....bruv is a great shot yup...definitely a better shot then I am.....hell a blind monkey with bananas in his eye's is a better shot then I....
as far as ACM he is no better then many I have fought and killed.... some are way better at ACM then he is and I have made them look silly (on my good days).....your obsession with him is down right strange and kinda creepy....

because of this obsession you will never make it to his level or even come close, I see you write lots of things about killing this one or that one...buddy MA is a cesspool that means nothing unless it was a straight up 1vs1 with equal E it means squat....you fly with friendlies...I know you do you cant deny it...killing someone while he is fighting Multi cons ALSO means squat....

score and RANK mean squat...you talk about getting good and that's what you want...but the best tool in game to get good you refuse to except....you only care about the kill you do not care about getting better....

staying in the spit and not staying in the ladder are 2 reasons why I say these things...also bragging about killing someone in the MA situation while most likely you had the number advantage tells me all I need to know.

I am not insulting you don't take it that way.....you should read it and take it in.....without thinking I am picking on you...because I am not.......

it does come down to your 15 bucks to fly with how you see fit...

I will say this for you....you fight and that deserves mention...considering how the MA is now a days.

Nothing creepy about my admiration for highly skilled plots (including you).  There are many paths to success.  I've chosen a different one than you.  Might make it harder for me, but at least I have fun which is the 2nd of 2 reasons I fly in AH.  Having fun is just as important to me as getting better.  

 

[Midway]

I been number one for a couple weeks only flying the 109, finished a couple months in the top10 flying an eny30 ride. Tell me my SA suxed. Also i would only talk in past tense about me.
There are many pilots out there i couldnt beat yet none of them is bragging about their score. Your licking behaviour is odd. .ignore

Great.  Then your SA might be better now.   Congrats!  I just remember from several months ago which is what I was referring to.   You were very easy for me to pick multiple times.   Have not run into you lately though.

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Nothing creepy about my admiration for highly skilled plots (including you).  There are many paths to success.  I've chosen a different one than you.  Might make it harder for me, but at least I have fun which is the 2nd of 2 reasons I fly in AH.  Having fun is just as important to me as getting better.  

 

want to respond...but we gotta stop hijacking Vinks thread.

[Vinkman]

A system based on who you beat is problematic for two reasons that are related, and juxtaposed. You can't control who you fight so luck would have to be on yourside as to what rank the players you came across were.  If you could, You'd never get a fight because killing one Joach1m would be worth 15 midways. This would be a nightmare for the top ranked pilots as everyone would be searching and gunning for them, while bypassing lower ranked pilots. Would Joach1m become a lower ranked pilot because his numbers dropped because he was being ganged everywhere he showed up? The real problem with a skill based rank system is that there has not yet been a system that addresses "skill".  If you land 6 kills against "Ranked" pilots, there is no way to determine if you picked them, or beat them in 1v1s. Hoping or pretending that the current Ranking system addresses 1v1 dog fighting skill is fantasy.

What it does address is a winner of the tour based on the criteria of highest scoring in the designated categories. You must assume in any scoring system that smart people will use strategies that the scoring system drives them to. You earn four times the points for landing your sorties than you do if you get shot down on the way home, not to mention how landing is positive for K/D. SMART = fly PonyDs, Doras, and La7s and run when in trouble. If PERKS EARNED mattered, the ponyD,  Dora, La7, Spitsteen, croud would fall out of the top 50 because those are tough planes to earn perks in. So being the smart, strategic folks they are, the scoring croud would fly planes with lower ENY. They would still horde, but a horde of P-40s is less dominating then a Horde of P-51s, or SpitXVIs, or La7s.