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Offline Oddball-CAF

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"Clash Of The Carriers" AAR
« on: June 13, 2012, 11:42:14 AM »
  Gentlemen, first off a big <S> to Jimson for putting together the
terrain map for last night's "Tuesday Night In The AvA/Clash Of The Carriers".
  I'm looking at these Tuesday night get-togethers in there as
basically the same as the "Wednesday Night Snapshot" events.
(Does the AvA crew run those as well?)
  Turnout was outstanding and continues to grow each week.
When 9PM rolled around, we had 40 pilots in there. At its
peak last night, I believe Jimson said we had 43.
  The sides at 9Pm were quite even with 20 Japanese and 20
American.
  We called that a formal strike with escorts was to be formed up
right after 9PM. But unfortunately, only 10 of the 20 "Japanese"
pilots got involved in it.
  Launching with 5 B5Ns with 5 A6M escorts, we proceeded to
extend away from our most Westerly ship, heading SW to
gain some extension from the good number of red "dots"
we were seeing on the map.
  At 13,000 feet we levelled out and proceeded to our target,
the lead enemy fleet at the western point of their battle line.
  Two fighters approached our group approximately 5 minutes
after takeoff, but both were either chased away or killed
by our Zeke escorts.
  At appromately 8 miles away from the enemy fleet, two of the five B5Ns sustained
pilot wounds, but once the attack order was given and the B5Ns went
nose-down to the enemy fleet, all were capable of bomb drops
and several hits on the CV were recorded.
  I believe only one of the 5 B5Ns survived, and he was pilot
wounded and oiled.
  Unfortunately, nobody seemed to want to hold up for a reform,
so downed pilots in our cadre were just lifting and heading back
south on their own so a series of small furballs developed. Quite
often with uneven odds on both ends. (I'm guessing the American
side was pretty disorganized at this point as well.)
  There were no large scale engagements, where one large group
of escorts/bombers came across another large group of enemy
planes. This is unfortunate as it would have made for a grand
beginning to the night's festivities.
  In any event, we had some wonderful furball action for the most
part, and the Zero proved itself an outstanding fighter in that
environment. The F4Fs were overmatched.  :rofl
  There seemed to be a lot of "hiding in the puffy ack" by both sides.
But with so many fleets around and the battle area limited by
the fleet positionings pretty much anywhere one flew you were
either covered by or getting shot by auto-ack.
  Jimson had solicited ideas on how we might tinker with this map/setup
to make it better game-play wise. With that in mind, here are
a couple of suggestions.

First, the map and fleet positionings:



  As you can see the fleets started out basicall in a line-ahead formation, parallel to
each other with about 1 sector or less separating them. Given that some pilots
had already been flying in the arena and the exact positions of almost all
of the fleets were already known, the excitement of searching for and
finding a fleet was not to be had.
  As well once one took off from a fleet and headed South or North, within
four minutes or so you were in the radar ring of the enemy fleet(s). Thus
the old "dot" icon on the map provided the enemy with both your positon(s)
and heading(s). This again took away a lot of the palm-sweating angst
which is always the case when attempting to locate an enemy over hundreds
of square miles and then getting a wonderful headrush when you finally locate
and begin engaging him.
  It is my opinion that tinkering with this setup should entail a couple of
things right off the bat.
(1) radar turned -OFF- both for "bars" and "dots".
(2) Fleet auto-ack be toned down even further than the 1/4
it was initially set up at. (Jimson turned it down past 1/4 later
in the evening and it seemed to work fine with that adjustment.)
(3) Less fleets and more separation between them.

  Lasty, the clouds. Some of the guys loved the fact there were so many
clouds and the cover at times so thick you got completely disoriented
as to which was your nose was pointed.
  I'm thinking that cutting the cloud cover to half of what it
was would still provide a lot of "atmosphere" and the ability
to use the clouds as cover for an ingress to target, to hide a CV
under, etc.. but would allow for some better air to air engagements.
   Setting these maps/scenarios up is very time intensive and a
labor of love. There's no other reason that a fellow would devote
so much effort to it. In this case it paid off handsomely and in
the vast number of cases, guys thoroughly enjoyed themselves
over the course of the evening.
  But, just like using a "battle editor" in a standard wargame in which
maps are built from scratch, units positioned, etc...there's always
some tinkering involved to get it "just right", at least from the
scenario designer's perspective.
   I look forward to playing on this one again very soon as I had
a blast with it. And once again, my sincere thanks to Jimson and
ALL of the Axis vs Allies Staff along with each and every one of
you who attended last night's battle. Were it not for your
time and efforts, it would not have been nearly as much fun
for us all as a group.

Best regards,
Oddball
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Re: "Clash Of The Carriers" AAR
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2012, 12:01:21 PM »
Thanks for the feedback.

One of the things I did was release TG control to the players.

That didn't seem to work out too well as they were moved too close to each other in some cases.

I would probably leave them in their picket lines next time, and cut the number of them down and spread them out a bit more.

The radar rings shown above are actually smaller then I had them set last night.

With no enemy icons, folks do want to have a way to locate the enemy.

I'll look at what kind of balance can be reached.

We have no connection with SEA snapshots and it really isn't in our charter to do that sort of thing, but we can sometimes tailor some things on certain nights when a group is holding a squad night in there.

To keep a distinction, IMO, it should probably continue to be left to squads and players to decide what specific missions they want to run rather than to have staff script it.

We have an informal start time of 9pm est on Tuesday evenings. What I could do next time this is run, is adjust TG positions just prior to 9pm so that the exact locations won't already be known.

Thanks again, and it was a very fun time last night.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2012, 01:02:42 PM by jimson »

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Re: "Clash Of The Carriers" AAR
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2012, 01:09:35 PM »
another modification suggestion: disable the radar on all the CVs except for the center CVs.  This would give an area where players who want to climb out without being spotted by dot dar could do so and players who just want to find and get into a fight as soon a possible would still have the area in the center of the CV line to show thier dot and find enemy dots. Bardar should be enabled everywhere above NOE levels.

and +1 to fewer clouds, my frame rates would hit single digits anytime I looked at the cloud banks that would roll through the center of the map.  It made it so that I knew I wouldn't be able to participate on tuesday.  ok /end  :cry
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Re: "Clash Of The Carriers" AAR
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2012, 01:16:46 PM »
and +1 to fewer clouds, my frame rates would hit single digits anytime I looked at the cloud banks that would roll through the center of the map.  It made it so that I knew I wouldn't be able to participate on tuesday.  ok /end  :cry

Interesting. I'm running a pretty old dual core win xp 32 bit with a geforce 8800gt and had zero problems with frame rates.

Well, we never know until we try.

The Hellcats really haven't done too badly.

           Kills  Deaths
F6F-5    104      137   

A6M5    149    119   
« Last Edit: June 13, 2012, 01:21:54 PM by jimson »

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Re: "Clash Of The Carriers" AAR
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 01:58:39 PM »
I hope ye got a CV for me ODD. :D
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Re: "Clash Of The Carriers" AAR
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2012, 02:51:15 PM »
Interesting. I'm running a pretty old dual core win xp 32 bit with a geforce 8800gt and had zero problems with frame rates.

Well, we never know until we try.


It probably has to do with the fact that I don't have a stand alone graphics card, just the integral one on the motherboard.  Smoke, clouds, ground clutter, even high numbers of planes in a small area all kick my frame rate in the gut.
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Re: "Clash Of The Carriers" AAR
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2012, 05:14:13 PM »
I had a great time it was hands down the best one I've done so far. But I do think no radar and more people would be nice.Good job jimson <S>

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Re: "Clash Of The Carriers" AAR
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2012, 07:49:06 PM »
It probably has to do with the fact that I don't have a stand alone graphics card, just the integral one on the motherboard.  Smoke, clouds, ground clutter, even high numbers of planes in a small area all kick my frame rate in the gut.

I'm 95% sure (leaving room for an act by God) that this would be/is the reason.  :salute
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Re: "Clash Of The Carriers" AAR
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2012, 09:56:56 AM »
yeah, I agree ranger.  Been wanting to upgrade for a long time now, just cant get the extra funds together for a graphics card and the likelly PSU upgrade needed.  real life has a great sence of timing and knows when to step in and eat up any extra money I am saving; but I can play AH in an arena with 400 players and still have fun so I don't really have much to complain about.  :salute
The real problem is anyone should feel like they can come to this forum and make a wish without being treated in a derogatory manner.  The only discussion should be centered around whether it would work, or how it would work and so on always in a respectful manner.

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