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Offline caldera

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Re: Pilot experience and skill level
« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2012, 06:23:52 PM »
The numbers are interesting but can be misleading in certain cases. 
For instance, compare my fighter score from my 12th tour in the game to this current tour:

Tour 87 -                  Tour 149-
K/D - 2.58                 K/D - 1.08
K/S - 1.09                 K/S - 0.59
K/H - 4.07                 K/H - 3.60
Hit% - 8.97               Hit% - 5.93

Don't think I have gotten that much worse from playing all this time.  :noid
Plane choices, fighting style and amount of risks taken can drastically skew the results.  Or I totally suck.  Probably the latter. :D
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Re: Pilot experience and skill level
« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2012, 06:30:18 PM »
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Re: Pilot experience and skill level
« Reply #47 on: June 13, 2012, 06:32:22 PM »
Can someone give me a short dumb version of what Snail Just posted.  :P

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Re: Pilot experience and skill level
« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2012, 06:36:35 PM »
The numbers are interesting but can be misleading in certain cases. 
For instance, compare my fighter score from my 12th tour in the game to this current tour:

Tour 87 -                  Tour 149-
K/D - 2.58                 K/D - 1.08
K/S - 1.09                 K/S - 0.59
K/H - 4.07                 K/H - 3.60
Hit% - 8.97               Hit% - 5.93

Don't think I have gotten that much worse from playing all this time.  :noid
Plane choices, fighting style and amount of risks taken can drastically skew the results.  Or I totally suck.  Probably the latter. :D

hmmm tour 87 was your first tour?

Tour 109
Kills per Death + 1    0.56
Kills per Sortie    0.40
Kills per Hour of Flight    3.28

Tour 145
Kills per Death + 1    3.00
Kills per Sortie    1.20
Kills per Hour of Flight    6.23
Kills Hit Percentage    7.74
Kill Points    678.29
Kills Hit Percentage    8.10
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Re: Pilot experience and skill level
« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2012, 06:41:19 PM »
hmmm tour 87 was your first tour?

12th tour.
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Re: Pilot experience and skill level
« Reply #50 on: June 13, 2012, 06:44:21 PM »
The "what a crap thread" and the claim "it's easy for the average player to get 200 perks" inspired me to do another kind of statistical analysis I haven't done this way before. In my search for Mr Average, and to see how much pilots do improve over time I took a look at all the pilot's of tour 148.
I divided the pilot IDs in to groups depending on how many tours they played in the 12 tours (1 year) before tour 148. It's not perfect, as some players did change their pilot ID, but you will see it had not that much of an impact.

Thanks to Kvuo's suggestion, I did not determine the averages of the key fighter mode stats but the median- that is the value where 50% of the pilots are below and 50% are above that number.

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In other words, even among pilots that have been around for at least 10 tours (and often many years), 50% had less than 0.75K/D, less than 0.5 kills/sortie and less than 3.02 kills/hour
im sorry lusche but there are many outliers to this graph. such as people attacking in fighter mode, people who dont care for K/D (aka they bail out if needed elsewhere, they get into fights to push the limit for the fun and result in lower K/D K/S etc. Many pilots above this 10 month point still limit their K/D and such for certain reasons.

This would not apply to all but i believe if many pilots began pushing for the kills over deaths this graph would change drastically.
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Re: Pilot experience and skill level
« Reply #51 on: June 13, 2012, 07:23:00 PM »
Added my stuff up.  Started playing December of 2009,  Including the 6 months I was "AKZoney":

2968 kills      221 deaths
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Re: Pilot experience and skill level
« Reply #52 on: June 13, 2012, 07:28:27 PM »
Yes, which is why I used the word remotely.



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Re: Pilot experience and skill level
« Reply #53 on: June 13, 2012, 08:43:54 PM »
Luche,

    Your stats about mr. average got me thinking.  What are the planes of choice for new players vs people that have been playing for a year or better?
I know the spit16 and the p51d are obvious choices, but as a player gets more skilled does he take over a new ride, or does he continue to fly the the same aircraft.  I ask in terms of the average, and not top players who can somehow hit with a tater for example.

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Re: Pilot experience and skill level
« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2012, 08:52:45 PM »
You don't go get perk points, perk points will just come to you.  :devil
I dont really worry of perks maybe this thread isnt in need of the Boner.

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Re: Pilot experience and skill level
« Reply #55 on: June 13, 2012, 08:53:48 PM »
Added my stuff up.  Started playing December of 2009,  Including the 6 months I was "AKZoney":

2968 kills      221 deaths
Beast.   :rock
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Re: Pilot experience and skill level
« Reply #56 on: June 13, 2012, 10:51:39 PM »
I just went and looked at the stats for this tour.  According to the plane stats overall K/D for the tour is 1.00.  Thats everyone in the arena doing everything.

I pulled out the kills in Ship Gunners and Chutes and it was still 0.945 so I pulled out the bombers, goons, gunners and storks... 1.034

Next the vehicles go:  1.08

I'm not sure where 0.5 or 0.75 K/D or whatever it is is coming up for "Mr. Average".  According the the AH stats page it's about 1 K/D across the arena.
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Re: Pilot experience and skill level
« Reply #57 on: June 13, 2012, 11:42:30 PM »
I just did a comparison using excel dating back to 2006.

Here's an average of my kills over the time being on game:

Kills per Death + 1    3.51
Kills per Sortie    2.19
Kills per Hour of Flight    2.11

My hit percentage average since 2006 has been 12.41% however this tour is scraping above 8% since I strafed down a VH in a P47M while in fighter mode. Does that mean suddenly I am losing my aim? Not quite - Stats lie in Aces High, frankly if you look at score you cannot determine whose a decent pilot.
Proof? Simple! Take a pilot who excels in fighters - not take bombers or ground vehicles up for a tour, however have him strafe down a few vehicle hangers - watch his hit percentage/kills per sortie drop off like a rock. Does that mean he suddenly went from "Good" to "mediocre"?
Truth be told the average pilot probably doesn't know the difference between (A) and (B), however one can't take a few stats from aces high especially since the system is to entirely easy to cheat with - into consideration.

Edited: I am not saying Lusche's overall stats are wrong, but to take a dozen pilots over 10 tours to compare them - there is no way to realistically compare these pilots since there are to many variable degree in changes between this time period.

« Last Edit: June 14, 2012, 12:04:55 AM by Butcher »
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Re: Pilot experience and skill level
« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2012, 01:42:34 AM »
I'd rather see that breakdown by years not months.  

So would I. The problem is just that just very few players keep their pilot ID over such a long period like 10 years.

Edit:

I just gave it a quick shot: I took all pilot ID's of tour 148 that have played every tour in the year before and have been present in tour 70 as well. I came up with just over 500 pilots. Now I can't really tell if they are exactly the same players, but while browsing through the list I reckognized the majority as well known longtime players.

And within this group, the median was as follows: K/D 0.96, K/S 0.57, K/H 3.1 and Hit% 4.42. (This would support one theory of mine that by and large the learning curve ends after about 12-18 months for most players.)

But the database for this is a bit shakey in my opinion.
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Re: Pilot experience and skill level
« Reply #59 on: June 14, 2012, 01:48:38 AM »
:x Really? I mean... really?  wow............ :O Gotta give it them for the tenacity though.  :salute

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