R4Ms for Me-262s

[deSelys]

Please give the R4M option to the 262.

[titanic3]

stormbirds.com/warbirds/tech_r4m_rocket.htm

"Fired from 600 meters, it had the same ballistics as the Mk108 cannon" so that pilots just used the Revi gunsight.

Contained 1.1lb of hexogen. Fired in groups of 4 or 6 at 0.07 seconds intervals (basically smashing the button).

I honestly don't see a reason why this shouldn't be added, it was used, it did its job as a tool to spread out bomber formations and even scored a single confirmed kill. Added to AH, it would force bomber pilots to actually fear 262s now and as a fun tool, it can be used to de-ack .

[Lusche]

Added to AH, it would force bomber pilots to actually fear 262s now

Yes, right now bomber pilots have no reason to fear the 262 at all

[titanic3]

Yes, right now bomber pilots have no reason to fear the 262 at all

Hmm..I sure didn't the few times I upped a bomber. Pinged out both a 262's oil after losing a drone. I sure a better bomber pilot would've gotten a kill.

[Lusche]

Hmm..I sure didn't the few times I upped a bomber. Pinged out both a 262's oil after losing a drone. I sure a better bomber pilot would've gotten a kill.

262s enjoy a K/D against bombers only rivaled by the Tempest. Half a dozen bomber kills in a single sortie is by not a particularly rare feat. What a surprise considering the jet can quickly catch up and get into a perfect attack position in shortest time at all but the highest altitudes, with the currently heaviest gun armament in game.

There is no plane more dangerous to bombers in a sector than a 262.

[Karnak]

Hmm..I sure didn't the few times I upped a bomber. Pinged out both a 262's oil after losing a drone. I sure a better bomber pilot would've gotten a kill.

Me262s have something like a 12 to 1 K/D against bombers, IIRC.  The only bomber that the Me262 itself does not mean death to me in is the Mossie XVI and that is only because I can play dodge the Me262 in most cases.  Of course it just keeps me put for a piston fighter to come kill me in that case.

[Butcher]

262s enjoy a K/D against bombers only rivaled by the Tempest. Half a dozen bomber kills in a single sortie is by not a particularly rare feat. What a surprise considering the jet can quickly catch up and get into a perfect attack position in shortest time at all but the highest altitudes, with the currently heaviest gun armament in game.

There is no plane more dangerous to bombers in a sector than a 262.

Why the 262 is the most dangerous foe a Bomber can face, the bomber only needs to score a few hits on the engine of a 262 to bring it down, taming the beast.

If the 262 runs home quickly it can survive, if it plays until the oil runs out then its practically dead.

[Lusche]

Why the 262 is the most dangerous foe a Bomber can face, the bomber only needs to score a few hits on the engine of a 262 to bring it down, taming the beast.

If the 262 runs home quickly it can survive, if it plays until the oil runs out then its practically dead.

They have to get the hits first.
262's still kill bombers in droves. It's a very unfair 'duel'...


By the way, 50% of the 262's kills are bombers, that's a much higher percentage than any other fighter except the Me 163

So the me 262 kills more bombers with a much better efficiency than all other available fighters. To say "bombers don't have to fear the 262" is a total rejection of the actual reality of gameplay.

[Butcher]

To say "bombers don't have to fear the 262" is a total rejection of the actual reality of gameplay.

No where In my post did I say "Bombers dont have to fear 262s"? Chances are 75% of the time you will attack a buff pilot with average or below accuracy, which is where all the buff kills comes from.
However there is a very high chance the 262 will be damaged by the defensive firepower of the bombers, luck only runs so far - in Scenarios I tend to shy away from buff kills unless that is my order.
I much rather tangle with a fighter, which CANNOT shoot from every angle, then a Bomber who can easily bring half dozen or more machine guns on me. I might kill one drone, but all you need is one oil hit and the flight is over for the 262.

I personally have no problem taking down bombers, generally I can line up and get 3 in one pass more often then none. I consider it gambling when attacking a bomber vs a fighter is only thing I am trying to point out.

[titanic3]

Stats doesn't show the partial damage that 262s receive when they attack bombers. Like Butcher said, one ping and you have to run home most of the time. The only thing that I fear while flying 262s are bombers and puffy ack. I refuse to attack bombers unless I know they are occupied in the bombardier position or when other friendlies are already attacking them. Three weapons already exist (or is about to exist) in the game that make bomber's defensive fire near useless: WGr. 21, BK5 in the Me-410, and to a lesser extent, Me-163.

The R4Ms will be hardest thing to hit with if it gets added. Yet everyone is going on a fit. No one complains when their formation of bombers get blown up by 2x WGr. 21s, and no one complains when they get all 3 bombers shot down in one pass from a Me-163. All bomber pilots need to do is pull the stick up when they see a rocket trail. If they can't even do that, then they deserve to get hit by a contact fuse rocket mid air.

[Lusche]

Stats doesn't show the partial damage that 262s receive when they attack bombers. Like Butcher said, one ping and you have to run home most of the time.

But that ping is not frequent enough to make bombers "not fear the 262", which is what you have claimed.
The 262 is still the most succesfull bomber hunter, as you clearly can see both by the stats (again: check the bomber kill ratio - if 262s were as harmless against buffs as you claimed, they wouldn't kill so many more bombers than fighters, much more than all other fighters except the special-purpose 163.

To sum up once again: The 262 kills more bombers at higher efficiency with more kills per sortie. Which can not only be witnessed by the stats alone, but also by actually playing in the arena.

[caldera]

The name "Snuggie" is not listed in the 262 pilot's Hall of Fame, and yet:

Kills of level bombers in 262 ...... 421
Killed by level bombers in 262 ... 9 (and most of those were collisions)

(K/D + 1) for a mediocre pilot flying the 262 versus all level bombers ... 42.1


You uber pilots should be decimating bombers by the hundreds. 



edit:  Kills versus fighters, attackers and goons totals = 119 kills/8 deaths (13.2 K/D).  Seems like fighters are quite a bit more dangerous, no?

[Lusche]

No where In my post did I say "Bombers dont have to fear 262s"

You are not the only poster in this thread

[Noir]

most 262 regulars kill bombers at take off, and often multiple times in a row., while ignoring every other target.
Only noobs engage them at altitude, everyone knows its suicidary except if you have a dead 12 position, and even so the risk is high.

Statistics don't tell everything.

[Lusche]

most 262 regulars kill bombers at take off, and often multiple times in a row., while ignoring every other target.
Only noobs engage them at altitude, every knows its suicidary except if you have a dead 12 position, and even so the risk is high.

So 262 pilots do nothing else but search for buffs taking off?  


I get the feeling I'm being trolled. Why else would somebody claim such ridiculous things?