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Re: R4Ms for Me-262s
« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2012, 09:47:25 AM »
most 262 regulars kill bombers at take off, and often multiple times in a row., while ignoring every other target.
Only noobs engage them at altitude, every knows its suicidary except if you have a dead 12 position, and even so the risk is high.

Statistics don't tell everything.

Bombers are much more dangerous to engage at low altitudes.  That eliminates a high speed vertical attack unless you are comfortable with chopping down trees with a 200 perk plane.
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Re: R4Ms for Me-262s
« Reply #46 on: June 25, 2012, 09:47:36 AM »
most 262 regulars kill bombers at take off, and often multiple times in a row., while ignoring every other target.
Only noobs engage them at altitude, everyone knows its suicidary except if you have a dead 12 position, and even so the risk is high.

Statistics don't tell everything.

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Re: R4Ms for Me-262s
« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2012, 09:48:13 AM »
Bombers are much more dangerous to engage at low altitudes.  That eliminates a high speed vertical attack unless you are comfortable with chopping down trees with a 200 perk plane.


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Re: R4Ms for Me-262s
« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2012, 09:50:38 AM »
Bombers are much more dangerous to engage at low altitudes.  That eliminates a high speed vertical attack unless you are comfortable with chopping down trees with a 200 perk plane.

For a newbie player sure, an average veteran player has no problem. Last Scenario as JG/7 TopGun flew 4 262s and engaged countless sets of B-26s on the Deck while we scouted at 10k.
Only one aircraft, even got hit - and it was an oil hit. Crab your aircraft, I dove down to the deck doing 600 and made slashing attacks doing easy 600+, we all attacked at the same time and decimated formation after formation.

I focused more on my instruments then the bombers, watch your alt and speed and maintain a gentle glide slope, and you will never have a problem.

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Re: R4Ms for Me-262s
« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2012, 09:53:55 AM »

So 262 pilots do nothing else but search for buffs taking off?  :rolleyes:



Exactly!!! High kills points, awesome hit%. Find a nice noob bombers spawn, camp at the end of the runway, land a double digit. Do that 3 times in the month and you're pretty well setup for #1 fighter. That and goon hunting in the back of the bish horde.

Welcome to aces high, you may want to watch a bit more the players and a bit less the stats.

Bombers are much more dangerous to engage at low altitudes.  That eliminates a high speed vertical attack unless you are comfortable with chopping down trees with a 200 perk plane.

If you have to dive on the target in a 262 you are doing it wrong. You want to be under the target.
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Re: R4Ms for Me-262s
« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2012, 09:56:19 AM »
Exactly!!! High kills points, awesome hit%. Find a nice noob bombers spawn, camp at the end of the runway, land a double digit. Do that 3 times in the month and you're pretty well setup for #1 fighter. That and goon hunting in the back of the bish horde.

Welcome to aces high, you may want to watch a bit more the players and a bit less the stats.


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Re: R4Ms for Me-262s
« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2012, 09:59:02 AM »

Lame trolling. I'm done.



Feel free to believe what you want, but that's how it's done. Nobody cruises at 20K in a 262 to kill bombers  :lol
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Re: R4Ms for Me-262s
« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2012, 10:02:04 AM »
For a newbie player sure, an average veteran player has no problem. Last Scenario as JG/7 TopGun flew 4 262s and engaged countless sets of B-26s on the Deck while we scouted at 10k.
Only one aircraft, even got hit - and it was an oil hit. Crab your aircraft, I dove down to the deck doing 600 and made slashing attacks doing easy 600+, we all attacked at the same time and decimated formation after formation.

I focused more on my instruments then the bombers, watch your alt and speed and maintain a gentle glide slope, and you will never have a problem.



As was pointed out in another thread, you are far from the "average" player.  And working tag team with other 262s flown by other above average pilots is a different story than engaging a formation alone.  600mph on the deck leaves little room for error.   Much easier to kill bombers when you are closing both laterally and vertically, making you a more difficult target.

If you have to dive on the target in a 262 you are doing it wrong. You want to be under the target.

I think my success in diving attacks dispels that.  See previous page in this thread. 


Feel free to believe what you want, but that's how it's done. Nobody cruises at 20K in a 262 to kill bombers  :lol

I have and with success - even against B-29s way above 20k.  You are the one doing it wrong if you're getting shot down.

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Re: R4Ms for Me-262s
« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2012, 10:17:01 AM »
I don't bother chasing high bombers, waste of time.

Also this is not a mine is bigger contest, I respect your ability to kill high bombers in a 262, but you are a minority. AS AN EXAMPLE I can name 3 top me262 sticks (fester, drbone, bruv119) and they pretty much never reach 10K and rack a huge number of bomber kills by themselves.
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Re: R4Ms for Me-262s
« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2012, 10:18:39 AM »

Nobody cruises at 20K in a 262 to kill bombers  :lol

Your right who would be stupid enough to fly that low.  :aok


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Re: R4Ms for Me-262s
« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2012, 10:24:26 AM »
most 262 regulars kill bombers at take off, and often multiple times in a row., while ignoring every other target.
Only noobs engage them at altitude, everyone knows its suicidary except if you have a dead 12 position, and even so the risk is high.

Statistics don't tell everything.

LOL, ah, No.

Maybe you were traumitized once by the 262 that vulched you on take off ?  Otherwise you are just being foolish.

I routinely hunt buffs from 25k in a 262, at speed, nothing less than 300mph.  And Ive escorted buffs in them too.  Big buff mission 2 weeks ago at 27k, escorting them, 3 kills.

You will have to lose quite a few 262's to learn how to use them but when you do, oh my..........................

Ad, not to derail the thread, gimme the rockets.  I visualize attacking 8 tight boxes of buffs and scaring the....................
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Re: R4Ms for Me-262s
« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2012, 10:25:08 AM »
Your right who would be stupid enough to fly that low.  :aok

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Last time I brought a 262 that high I thought I would throw up. Prop planes were doing circles around me. Also it reminds me a wmaker thread stating that the 262 should perform much better at altitude...
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Re: R4Ms for Me-262s
« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2012, 10:27:39 AM »
Your right who would be stupid enough to fly that low.  :aok

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Another outlier!  ;)


I don't bother chasing high bombers, waste of time.

Also this is not a mine is bigger contest, I respect your ability to kill high bombers in a 262, but you are a minority. AS AN EXAMPLE I can name 3 top me262 sticks (fester, drbone, bruv119) and they pretty much never reach 10K and rack a huge number of bomber kills by themselves.

Exactly my point.  I am not even close to being good in the 262 but attacking buffs is a cinch.  The players you mentioned are wholesale slaughterers of low alt fighters.  Perhaps they are killing bombers on the runway as you previously mentioned.  That doesn't apply to this thread and the perceived need of R4M rockets to kill bombers.
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Re: R4Ms for Me-262s
« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2012, 10:35:20 AM »
Last time I brought a 262 that high I thought I would throw up. Prop planes were doing circles around me. Also it reminds me a wmaker thread stating that the 262 should perform much better at altitude...

In the Scenario I flew at 30k in a 262 and danced with a squadron of P47s and P38s, believe me the 262 has an edge as long as it doesnt get slow.
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Re: R4Ms for Me-262s
« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2012, 10:45:04 AM »
I had an Me262 at about 34,000ft Saturday night.  I was in a Mossie XVI climbing past 35,000ft trying to keep above him.  Seemed to be generally working too until a Ta152 got involved.
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