Korean war arena

[Butcher]

Five, six things, then I agree we stay away from the big names for a while.

190A8 split in to early standard-armored, and late up-armored models
109G-10 (not needed, I just want it).
190F8 updated for weapons
109E7
190A2
109G6 AS
After that, we can pretty much leave the 109/190's alone till everything else is done.

Not likely we are getting anymore 109/190s for a long time, which I hope is so since they are not critical.

[Karnak]

When one accuses me of being anti-American/pro-British I would invite them to compare the two lists below:

Variants needed:

B-25J
Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS
Fw190A-2
Ki-61-I-Ko
La-5
LaGG-3
P-51A/A-36 (no cannons)
Seafire Mk III

Five, six things, then I agree we stay away from the big names for a while.

190A8 split in to early standard-armored, and late up-armored models
109G-10 (not needed, I just want it).
190F8 updated for weapons
109E7
190A2
109G6 AS

I listed two American, two German, two Russian, one Japanese and one British variant.  Tank-Ace listed six German variants and nothing else.  If I were similarly biased in favor of the British, would my list not look more like this:?

Mosquito Mk IV
Mosquito Mk XVIII
Mosquito Mk 30
Seafire Mk III
Sea Hurricane Mk II
Spitfire Mk XII

[Guppy35]

We need the E3 and E7 

As an Emil fan I'd agree on the E7, but the E3 would be redundant. E7 had the DT/Bomb option and a slightly more powerful engine and was still in used into 42 as a fighter bomber in Russia and the MTO.  Outside of the different canopy, the E3 and E4 just aren't different enough to warrant adding the E3.

I'd love the E7 though.

[Guppy35]

Five, six things, then I agree we stay away from the big names for a while.

190A8 split in to early standard-armored, and late up-armored models
109G-10 (not needed, I just want it).
190F8 updated for weapons
109E7
190A2
109G6 AS



After that, we can pretty much leave the 109/190's alone till everything else is done.

LOL as long as we get all the LW birds you want!

I'll support this as long as we get the Spit LFIX, Spit XII, Seafire LFIII,  P47D23, P38H and A-36/P51 Allison Mustang.

Otherwise forget it.  You'll have to make do.

[Tank-Ace]

If there's noticeable performance differences, then sure I'd support them. Maybe not as high as an F8 update, since I'm highly unlikely to fly most of that stuff, but if there's a real solid difference in performance, and not just "well, technically its a spit 9, but in performance and handling its identical to the spit 16" crap, then sure.



Only reason the A8 is on my list is because it appears as though we have combination of a mid variant, and an up-armored later variant.

Give us the extra engine power and all those fancy fuel additives and MW boost and what not cleared for use with the up-armored A8's, and I won't say another word. But if HTC is going to fix A 190, might as well see if can get them to split it into its two contributing variants, and update the others in weapons, or whatever we might need.


E-7 is only on there because it wouldn't take much, and would be useful for special events, so we wouldn't have to use a mix of E-4's and F-4's.



G-10 is only on there because I loved the G-10, and would like to see it back, even if it won't be quite the quasi-K4 it was back we had it. And if you're going to ask, don't be shy!

[Butcher]

Not so sure we'd ever get the G-10 back, before we had the K4's performance with a 20mm nose gun, it would have to be completely remodeled in terms of performance.

I tried asking for it throughout the years, I don't see it coming back.

[morfiend]

Not so sure we'd ever get the G-10 back, before we had the K4's performance with a 20mm nose gun, it would have to be completely remodeled in terms of performance.

I tried asking for it throughout the years, I don't see it coming back.

  The AS versions of the G6 and G14 are far more important because we dont have a high alt 109 for 43/44.The G10 doesnt even fill any gaps because it was released AFTER the K4.

  Tankace you had to of been about 9 or 10 when we had the G10......


   

[Butcher]

The AS versions of the G6 and G14 are far more important because we dont have a high alt 109 for 43/44.The G10 doesnt even fill any gaps because it was released AFTER the K4.

Ah good info to know, I don't know the specifics on the AS versions, what are chances of a 20mm K4? I think its probably been asked a million times, but I don't recall if any were ever given the 20mm option.

I think this is what most people wanted, K4 engine with 20mm hub.

Frankly I would love it, but I don't seeing it ever happen.

[morfiend]

Ah good info to know, I don't know the specifics on the AS versions, what are chances of a 20mm K4? I think its probably been asked a million times, but I don't recall if any were ever given the 20mm option.

I think this is what most people wanted, K4 engine with 20mm hub.

Frankly I would love it, but I don't seeing it ever happen.

  There were a handfull of K4's that were armed with 20 mm hub guns,however these were evaluation planes and only armed this way because of a lack of Mk108's.

  I've asked before and can find no real reason for not having the option to put gondolas on the K4,the wings were capable but not many squads wanted to carry them at that time. IIRC it was JG26 who recieved a shipment of K4's with gondies and promptly removed them!


   

[Tank-Ace]

Tankace you had to of been about 9 or 10 when we had the G10......

Yup, and I still remember them kicking my bellybutton around the block.


Like I said, I only want the G-10 for personal reasons. It represents a fond memory for me, and because I would absolutely LOVE to troll around with sorta K4-ish preformance and a 20mm.



Also, what made the AS versions superior at high alt? From a quick trip to wiki (yeah, wiki, I know), I understand they had preasurized cocpits, but thats the extent of my knowledge.

[Karnak]

The AS engines had a higher critical altitude.  It is like the Spitfire Mk IX's Merlin 61 compared to the Spitfire Mk VIII's Merlin 66.

[Tank-Ace]

Comparable speeds? And what altitudes would we be talking here?

[Karnak]

Comparable speeds? And what altitudes would we be talking here?

That I do not know.  A Bf109 buff will need to answer those questions.

[morfiend]

The AS engines had a higher critical altitude.  It is like the Spitfire Mk IX's Merlin 61 compared to the Spitfire Mk VIII's Merlin 66.

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  This would be pretty close to what you could expect the differences to be between the G6 we have now and a G6as.  IIRC the FTH was bumped up about 5K. I would have expected MR.Tankace to know this as he seems to know everything.



   

[Eric19]

+1 for the korean war arena i think it would see about as much use as the DA gets