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Re: 30-06
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2012, 03:46:32 PM »
 :headscratch: but the bullet diameter is 0.308 of an inch, why do they not round up to 31? And the 06 refers to what exactly?

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Re: 30-06
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2012, 03:49:14 PM »
:headscratch: but the bullet diameter is 0.308 of an inch, why do they not round up to 31? And the 06 refers to what exactly?
think .30 caliber 1906...
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Re: 30-06
« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2012, 03:52:07 PM »
Ah the year. How strangely irrelevant. Thank you for the information.  :salute
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Re: 30-06
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2012, 05:55:16 PM »
The man already said he's an experienced rifle shooter. First thing I'd do is get some dent glass and good mounts. If the rifle still shoots bad I'd return it. Without being able to see your groups I couldnt tell you whats wrong but even if it is the rifle you can then buy a better one and already have the decent glass to put on it.

I may go thru life wearing old jeans and khaki but my rifle glass is always first rate, as are my rifles, "just like a redneck". And like a redneck I'll skimp on eating before I'll skimp on my rifle/glass.

I agree with you about the glass, and I saw that he's had some experience with shooting.  He definitely doesn't come across as a beginner.  

Even so, he did ask for input, and the advice given is relevant to experienced shooters.  I know LOTS of very experienced shooters and hunters, and I've seen most, if not all (including myself) make very similar mistakes, so I hate to rule anything out.

If I had to spend money on one aspect of a scoped rifle set-up, at the expense of the rest, it'd be the glass for sure.  In reality, there aren't many modern rifles out there that shoot worse than the VAST majority of even very experienced shooters.  In my experience, unless it's bargain-basement stuff, the hardware will generally out-perform the shooter.  That said, I've seen guys that could work magic with crap, and guys that shot like crap with the best stuff out there.  In the end, it generally comes down to the jerk on (or behind  :D)the trigger.  You can't buy skill, experience, or technique, and that's almost always where the real problems lie (even though we all like to blame the equipment first).

If he's looking to just swap out his new gear for different new gear, I'd agree, the scope is the most logical choice.  

Then again, that may do nothing, in which case he's back to trouble-shooting.  I prefer to trouble-shoot first, and have found that to be quite successful.
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Re: 30-06
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2012, 07:34:08 PM »
Ah the year. How strangely irrelevant. Thank you for the information.  :salute

What is the common term used to describe the colt .45 acp? 1911. Why? That was when it was adopted by the military.
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Re: 30-06
« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2012, 07:49:31 PM »
could be just a shot out barrel, although it should take a LONG time to shoot out a barrel of a 30-06, but it has happened.  bad batch of ammo? I have seen that before with winchester silver ballistic tips with the nickel cases, got shots all over with them and switched to winchester regular soft points and got a 2 inch group with the wifes 300 wsm.

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Re: 30-06
« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2012, 07:57:37 PM »
Ah the year. How strangely irrelevant. Thank you for the information.  :salute

What's even more irrelevant today is the nomenclature for rounds like the .30-30, .30-40, and .45-70.  The first number is the caliber and the second is the powder load, except that refers to way back in the day when they where black powder loads.  They all use modern powders today which means the powder charge is much smaller/lighter, but for some reason we still call them the same way.  :headscratch:  even though 30g of most modern gunpowders in a .30-30 shell would be disastrous, we still call it .30-30 etc...

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Re: 30-06
« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2012, 01:20:43 AM »
What is the common term used to describe the colt .45 acp? 1911. Why? That was when it was adopted by the military.

I thought the pistol was assigned the U.S. military id M1911? I just assumed the numbers would say something meaningful about the bullet dimensions.


What's even more irrelevant today is the nomenclature for rounds like the .30-30, .30-40, and .45-70.  The first number is the caliber and the second is the powder load, except that refers to way back in the day when they where black powder loads.  They all use modern powders today which means the powder charge is much smaller/lighter, but for some reason we still call them the same way.  :headscratch:  even though 30g of most modern gunpowders in a .30-30 shell would be disastrous, we still call it .30-30 etc...

Interesting, thanks for all the information. Clearly an awful lot of historical background. I suppose it doesn't matter as long as you know which is which for your gun.  :banana:
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Re: 30-06
« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2012, 08:04:11 PM »
I thought the pistol was assigned the U.S. military id M1911? I just assumed the numbers would say something meaningful about the bullet dimensions.

The military ID was M1911, but it was given that ID because it was designed (or maybe first produced not sure) in the year 1911 by the great John Moses Browning  :salute  There are other common firearms that use the year as the name as well, like every Winchester rifle from the 1800's.

1911 is the gun, .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) is the round.  Not all 1911's today are .45 though.  Many manufacturers have no made 1911s in .40, 10mm, 9mm or even .22lr.

When it comes to firearm cartridges (just like with almost everything else) the metric system is much clearer and easy to understand.  ie  5.56x45mm or 7.62x51mm tells you 2 clear dimensions instead of just .223 or .308.


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Re: 30-06
« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2012, 12:41:49 AM »
Yes I know a lot about John Browning, his work, but more importantly his working method is well worth studying if you are interested in Industrial Design.

Other firearms have that nomenclature too, one of my favourites is the Steyr Mannlicher M1901, same business about the date. I've just always wondered about the apparently uniquely American 'thirty-aught eight' description. We'd only refer to that one as a 7.62-mm.  :salute



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