Parts departing aircraft

[earl1937]

  Sure would be nice if we had a chart which would show at what speed, IAS, that parts start coming off the different a/c in this game. Just read a post where player says he was decending at 400MPH in a B-29. I have lost rudder, in stright decent, 340 MPH IAS, with elevator going at 350MPH IAS or aelrons shortly there after.
Specifications:
        Engines: Four 2,200-hp Wright R-3350-23-23A/-41 Cyclone 18 turbocharged radial piston engines.
        Weight: Empty 70,140 lbs., Max Takeoff 124,000 lbs.
        Wing Span: 141ft. 3in.
        Length: 99ft. 0in.
        Height: 29ft. 7in.
        Performance:
            Maximum Speed: 358 mph
            Cruising Speed: 230 mph
            Ceiling: 31,850 ft.
            Range: 3,250 miles
        Armament:
            Two 12.7-mm (0.5-inch) machine guns in each of remote-controlled turrets, plus three 12.7-mm (0.5-inch) machine guns, or two 12.7-mm guns and one 20-mm cannon in the tail turret.
The above are real spec's for the ole bird and in over 900 hours flying same, we never decended above 280MPH IAS, because of to rapid cooling of the cylinders, which resulted in cracking and failure.

[Lusche]

Sure would be nice if we had a chart which would show at what speed, IAS, that parts start coming off the different a/c in this game

It would be nice, yes. You could go ahead, test the planes and make such a chart for us. 

[Karnak]

I want to know why parts come off of my Mosquito Mk VI due to overspeed and not off of the Mosquito Mk XVI when they use the exact same wings and tail.

[Tracerfi]

I want to know why parts come off of my Mosquito Mk VI due to overspeed and not off of the Mosquito Mk XVI when they use the exact same wings and tail.

Guns maybe

[Karnak]

Guns maybe

You mean my guns?  That doesn't make any sense.

If you mean other's guns, no.  This happens offline as well as online.

[Tracerfi]

You mean my guns?  That doesn't make any sense.

If you mean other's guns, no.  This happens offline as well as online.

what I ment is the Mossie 16 has no guns and the Mossie 6 does

[Spikes]

what I ment is the Mossie 16 has no guns and the Mossie 6 does

All of the guns are in the nose. How does that affect anything?

[Tracerfi]

All of the guns are in the nose. How does that affect anything?

weight in any part of an air craft can cause that

[Karnak]

what I ment is the Mossie 16 has no guns and the Mossie 6 does

weight in any part of an air craft can cause that

That wouldn't affect the wings and tail.  The XVI carries a 4000lb bomb in the same space as the VI carries four 20mm cannons and two 500lb bombs.  The 4000lb bomb is the heavier load.

[cobia38]

  Altitude plays a big factor too,you can shed parts at sea level that you would retain  higher up.
  For example,I can take an A-20 and dive from 20 k to 15 k reach 480 and pull out rather hard and not lose parts.
  Try the same thing from 10 k to 5 k and it will become something that resembles a bobsled very quickly.

[Karnak]

  Altitude plays a big factor too,you can shed parts at sea level that you would retain  higher up.
  For example,I can take an A-20 and dive from 20 k to 15 k reach 480 and pull out rather hard and not lose parts.
  Try the same thing from 10 k to 5 k and it will become something that resembles a bobsled very quickly.

That is because you are looking at indicated true airspeed, not indicated air speed.

That said, the altitudes between the Mossies is the same.  For whatever reason HTC set the Mk VI to lose control surfaces due to over speeding and did not set the Mk XVI to do the same.  From what I have read the Mk XVI is the more reasonable model.

[cobia38]

That is because you are looking at indicated true airspeed, not indicated air speed.

That said, the altitudes between the Mossies is the same.  For whatever reason HTC set the Mk VI to lose control surfaces due to over speeding and did not set the Mk XVI to do the same.  From what I have read the Mk XVI is the more reasonable model.

  so your saying red needle  400 mph at sea level is not the same as red needle 400 mph  at 10 K ?
     

[guncrasher]

  Altitude plays a big factor too,you can shed parts at sea level that you would retain  higher up.
  For example,I can take an A-20 and dive from 20 k to 15 k reach 480 and pull out rather hard and not lose parts.
  Try the same thing from 10 k to 5 k and it will become something that resembles a bobsled very quickly.

not sure but this got me thinking.  twice in the past week I compressed my pony diving from 12k by the time i was down to 7k it was clear I was gonna crash as I had no control.  that is 2k above what I normally fly.  I dove from 10k in the same manner and had full control.   another thing i notice is I also ripped the wings off my pony a couple of times in the last few weeks and yesterday i saw another guy rip his wings in a pony at ground level.  I have gone to the training arena and I tried to rip the wings off my pony and so far I havent been able to do it on purpose no matter how hard i pull.

semp

[MK-84]

  so your saying red needle  400 mph at sea level is not the same as red needle 400 mph  at 10 K ?
     

Perhaps he means this:?

Lets dive an A20 for example from 15k alt.  These numbers are not accurate at all, but it is to give the idea of the concept.  At 15k the needle might say something like 460ias and you hear wing creak, as you get lower and lower, the wing creak occurs at lower and lower ias speeds.

Which means, yes at higher alts you can go faster than at lower alts before important parts start to jettison themselves.

400mph isnt 400ias.  A unrealistic but good analogy would be to place the airplane in a vacuum.  With no air resistance at all there is no stress on the airframe so it can go effectively infineatley fast, but as soon as air density starts to increase one must continually slow down as to not overstress the airplane.

[kvuo75]

 so your saying red needle  400 mph at sea level is not the same as red needle 400 mph  at 10 K ?
      

it's quite different.


the fake red needle is TAS, the actual needle is IAS.. IAS is what the airplane is experiencing.

just like an airliner at 275kts IAS is actually doing ~450kts TAS at 33000 ft