Penn State report

[kilo2]

No, but charge whoever assisted the fugitive (criminally and civilly) , even if it means the entire building goes into foreclosure. Do not hold back on punishment because you don't want to hurt anyone.

We are talking about NCAA sanctions here. I agree go after the individuals who committed criminal acts not the organization who they worked for.

[Nathan60]

Im sure there were innocents in the SMU scandal that were punished too. My opinion stays the same, it's not like anyone who matters cares what I think. It's just one donutwoods opinion. While they are busy shutting down the football program though, they need to tear down the statue of Joe "Pederast Pal" Paterno.

Yes but the players themselves gained at SMU( do you even know WHY they were nailed?) I, matter and I, care what you think, better yet I care why and I have not seen a soild defense of ESPN's opinion yet, I do note you are getting desperate and  uncomfortable  being put on the cruicible  and  are now resorting to calling a recently passed human being names when neither he nor his  family are likely to come here and defend the Name.

[kilo2]

Im sure there were innocents in the SMU scandal that were punished too. My opinion stays the same, it's not like anyone who matters cares what I think. It's just one donutwoods opinion. While they are busy shutting down the football program though, they need to tear down the statue of Joe "Pederast Pal" Paterno.

SMU was about paying players which is much different. As players also benefited from the rules violations they had no choice but punish the collective.

[Shuffler]

Im noit taking that bait myself,  MY reasoning is because  the actions of the few should not determine the actions of the many. You read an article by some ESPIN hack and decided it made excellent troll bait. wouldn't it  help out the victim's and thier families more  to take a portion of the reveune made at ball games   rather than shutting down  a program that supports many other programs?  I dont see womens weightlifting bringing in very much revenue to keep itself  afloat.

The powers that be, or were, should have thought of what may happen when they were eventually caught. Some of the emails ran in that direction but were shot down. The school...... each and every student, faculty, and coaches were responsible for the simple blind faith way of life at penn state. Folks who knew were afraid to say a thing for fear of being attacked or losing one's job. Penn States whole culture was the driving force behind what happened.

[MrGeezer]

The players have been told (including signs reading: "Ignore The Noise") to not pay attention to all the news reports but that is an impossibility.

The players have been expecting a shut-down of the program, known as "The Death Penalty" since the story went public, not to mention the recent VERY public trial.

It's not fair to the players and what other team staff that were completely unaware of the issue to destroy the entire program, and that does not include the fact that the PSU program was one of the most successful in the country for decades.

Those players (who are not guilty of anything) have worked themselves to exhaustion day after day since they were in Junior High to even get a chance of being on the team...much less a scholarship to one of the most prestigious programs in the nation.  It's not exactly an easy thing to officially red shirt while you go looking for a new school to play for and possibly lose a chance at a college education by going elsewhere and losing their scholarship.

The players are not to blame.  Those to blame are either dead or awaiting sentencing.  

[Shuffler]

SMU was about paying players which is much different. As players also benefited from the rules violations they had no choice but punish the collective.

The penn state problem, other than children being molested on school grounds, also included turning a blind eye towards players on and off campus illegal activities.

[kilo2]

The powers that be, or were, should have thought of what may happen when they were eventually caught. Some of the emails ran in that direction but were shot down. The school...... each and every student, faculty, and coaches were responsible for the simple blind faith way of life at penn state. Folks who knew were afraid to say a thing for fear of being attacked or losing one's job. Penn States whole culture was the driving force behind what happened.

Because you automatically can tell these things. I don't think anyone assumes that someone you know, who appears to be a normal guy, does such heinous things.

The people who knew something for 100% sure should be charged with a crime / banned from NCAA.

[kilo2]

The penn state problem, other than children being molested on school grounds, also included turning a blind eye towards players on and off campus illegal activities.

You cannot lump the two things together.

[Nathan60]

The powers that be, or were, should have thought of what may happen when they were eventually caught. Some of the emails ran in that direction but were shot down. The school...... each and every student, faculty, and coaches were responsible for the simple blind faith way of life at penn state. Folks who knew were afraid to say a thing for fear of being attacked or losing one's job. Penn States whole culture was the driving force behind what happened.

So in a nu shell just because youre on campus you shoudl be lible? Well I think all the people in Pittsburg should also be lible for being in the same state and anyone that bought a Penn State  hat no matter what hemposhere they reside in shoudl be lible. I especcily like the fact that a frosh jsut coming up shoudl be held lible for  a coverup theat has been ongoing since 1995, that implies the coverup was in fact in place before  they even got on campus. I can see punishing the guilty in this case but  the Dorm Mom of Dorm 12 E shouldnt be getting nailed

[Nathan60]

The penn state problem, other than children being molested on school grounds, also included turning a blind eye towards players on and off campus illegal activities.

So taking free movie tickets  from a booster is  equivelent to  some guy 10 years ago touching a child and your ccoach  coverd it up THEN?

[Shuffler]

Because you automatically can tell these things. I don't think anyone assumes that someone you know, who appears to be a normal guy, does such heinous things.

The people who knew something for 100% sure should be charged with a crime / banned from NCAA.

No...... because if you have an idea something like this is happening you report it and let the authorities handle it. You don't hide it so you or your group do not look bad and you can continue raking in money. The "machine", those in the know and those reaping the benefit though ignorance, should bear the brunt of the penalty. The "machine" being those that blindly say "we are penn state" believing that makes everything ok.

[Delirium]

We are talking about NCAA sanctions here. I agree go after the individuals who committed criminal acts not the organization who they worked for.

If the same individuals involved are still working at Penn State, the entire football program should be banned from playing.

If Penn State wants to fire them and announce a letter of condemnation against Paterno, it would be a different story altogether. Until that happens, the 'precious' football program can (and will) suffer.

Hang them separately, or they can all hang together.

[Nathan60]

No...... because if you have an idea something like this is happening you report it and let the authorities handle it. You don't hide it so you or your group do not look bad and you can continue raking in money. The "machine", those in the know and those reaping the benefit though ignorance, should bear the brunt of the penalty. The "machine being those that blindly say "we are penn state" believing that makes everything ok.

so closing the "money machine" in which kids  work their butts of f to get a full ride for an education is a logical decision? when the perpetratiors of the crime are being punished? You do realised the football players them selves were  between the ages of 1-5 when this  all happend correct and the cover up was already in place  by the time they spoke thier first word?

[Nathan60]

If the same individuals involved are still working at Penn State, the entire football program should be banned from playing.

If Penn State wants to fire them and announce a letter of condemnation against Paterno, it would be a different story altogether. Until that happens, the 'precious' football program can (and will) suffer.

Hang them separately, or they can all hang together.

lol next time someone runs a red light in youre town I say you shoudl be charged with running a red aswell. So punish  some kids that were  around 1 yrear old when this all went down? That is a completly logical idea.

[Delirium]

I say this is a topic which cannot be discussed, on this board, due to too many people not being able to control personal impulse reactions and yet have convinced themselves their reactions are so important everyone wants to see them.

A bit off topic, but doesn't that describe every single discussion on the forums?