Penn State report

[lasersailor184]

I think this conversation is over. It is now obvious to me that no ones opinion is even going to sway including mine.

You're right.  4 times asking for evidence of a cover up or corruption with no evidence given should have been my clue that we weren't dealing with Facts here, but feelings.

[MarineUS]

The quote proves he knew exactly what was going on.

You can't fix the brainwashed 'Pac. Just let him live in his fantasy world where PSU is uber God of all universities.

They want evidence, you show them a confession and it's not "evidence". SMH.

I share a country with you people. Golly-geen it turn your brains on.

[Shuffler]

You're right.  4 times asking for evidence of a cover up or corruption with no evidence given should have been my clue that we weren't dealing with Facts here, but feelings.

You said you read the report.... simply read it again.

[kilo2]

I don't think reasonable people can agree with such a statement.  One might say that an NCAA 'death sentence' is too harsh, but to say 'no sanctions in any way' in the face of such appalling lapses of basic ethics by the top leadership of a sports program is misguided.

I believe myself and others who share my opinion are reasonable.

Do not setup your opinion as the only reasonable opinion it is not. It is a opinion of someone letting their feelings rule their judgment.

A couple of top level people who committed crimes should be punished not the college or football program.

[Shuffler]

I believe myself and others who share my opinion are reasonable.

Do not setup your opinion as the only reasonable opinion it is not. It is a opinion of someone letting their feelings rule their judgment.

A couple of top level people who committed crimes should be punished not the college or football program.

Actually it is not feelings ruling their judgement. It is the NCAA rules that are ruling their judgement. But you can have your opinion.

[Bodhi]

I believe myself and others who share my opinion are reasonable.

Do not setup your opinion as the only reasonable opinion it is not. It is a opinion of someone letting their feelings rule their judgment.

A couple of top level people who committed crimes should be punished not the college or football program.

Have you ever read the NCAA Constitution?  I am guessing not.  If you had, you would not consider your opinion reasonable.

As I outlined before, Section 6, specifically 6.0.1 states the University must have control of the athletics.  It is obvious from the actions of several high ranking personnel, several coaches, assistants, and a host of other unnamed players that the control they exercised was not lawful or in the best interests of the athletics program.  Based upon precedence set for far lesser crimes in the NCAA, where "death penalties" of two years have been handed down; the punishment for these heinous crimes and actions should far exceed a two year death penalty. 

Now, to address it reasonably, look at my second paragraph.  It takes emotion out of the equation, uses past precedence of NCAA rulings, and shows a reasonable course of action based upon past rulings. 

[BreakingBad]

It is a opinion of someone letting their feelings rule their judgment.

A couple of top level people who committed crimes should be punished not the college or football program.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm afraid it does not work like that.  Penn State is in serious trouble over this, likely as not the victims will sue the university in civil court for the GROSS negligence of that university's leadership.  Those in the leadership position might also be sued individually, even if they are not found to be criminally negligent.

Additionally, the leadership also violated multiple NCAA rules of ethical conduct, for which the NCAA will rightly have to impose punishment.  Not just for one violation mind you, but for a systemic failures.  

So no, it is not a situation of 'feelings' ruling the judgement, it is both the established rules of the NCAA and also case law of western jurisprudence that will be in play.

You're right.  4 times asking for evidence of a cover up or corruption with no evidence given should have been my clue that we weren't dealing with Facts here, but feelings.

Like shuffler said, go read the report or even the highlights from a credible news source.  It's not our job to educate you.

[grizz441]

As I outlined before, Section 6, specifically 6.0.1 states the University must have control of the athletics.  It is obvious from the actions of several high ranking personnel, several coaches, assistants, and a host of other unnamed players that the control they exercised was not lawful or in the best interests of the athletics program.  Based upon precedence set for far lesser crimes in the NCAA, where "death penalties" of two years have been handed down; the punishment for these heinous crimes and actions should far exceed a two year death penalty. 

If it is so obvious maybe you can guarantee there will be a sports ban at Penn State imposed by the NCAA.

[Bodhi]

If it is so obvious maybe you can guarantee there will be a sports ban at Penn State imposed by the NCAA.

As I am not on the NCAA disciplinary board, I can not guarantee anything, but from a legal aspect it makes the most sense. 

[grizz441]

As I am not on the NCAA disciplinary board, I can not guarantee anything, but from a legal aspect it makes the most sense. 

The NCAA has "one or two" lawyers, believe me.  We'll see what happens, some legal analysts say the NCAA will impose a death sentence, others say the NCAA can't impose a single sanction.

[Hajo]

Whether the NCAA does something or not.  Penn States reputation has been tarnished for many years to come.

And it is a pity.  It is a fine school where those in charge forgot what Penn State was there for. To Educate,

not profit from a football program.  Other Schools and programs...take note.  There but by the grace of God go I.

[Bodhi]

The NCAA has "one or two" lawyers, believe me.  We'll see what happens, some legal analysts say the NCAA will impose a death sentence, others say the NCAA can't impose a single sanction.

Well aware.  The reasonable response from the NCAA has to be harsh, especially considering the precedence of the past.  As for people saying that the NCAA can not impose anything....  that is simply shock value to get on TV.  They can and will.

[VonMessa]

Wait for it...

$60 million fine

No bowl games for 4 years

All wins for PSU from 2008 to 2011 are vacated

NCAA reserving the right to perform investigations to sanction individuals on a per-incident status

NCAA to implement an independent morality monitor for 5 years.

5 years probation in NCAA

Other detailed info available soon (Emmert was speaking really quickly)

A lot of heavy sanctions not to be taken lightly but no "Death Penalty".

Looks like they relied upon the Freeh report for most of their decisions

Can watch live here:

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/livenow?id=8745127

[Bodhi]

This punishment is a joke.  Sports above all else!

[mbailey]

As a parent and a PSU Alum, sadly Bodhi, i agree.