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Re: Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2012, 10:22:42 PM »
Lots of similar incidents in the last couple of years.  Last year some guy in LA got shot by a sniper without even being talked to by the police because he was sitting on his porch playing with a water hose spray nozzle.  He was on the porch for a couple of hours, the cops spent over an hour sneaking up on him, and then they shot him without even trying to talk to him.  Last I heard, not a single officer or supervisor was so much as reprimanded.

Thank goodness the courts have started to come down on the side of the public when it comes to things like videotaping cops out in plain public view or when coming onto private property without a warrant. 
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Re: Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2012, 10:31:34 PM »
I'm usually on the side of the cops, but they can't just go in guns blazing without even trying to get a peaceful surrender first. If someone was beating on my door like that, I'd have a gun in my hand too.

As said before, they should have covered all the exits and first tried to talk the guy into coming out hands up.

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Re: Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2012, 11:42:11 PM »
I don’t believe for a second that the guy opened the door with a gun pointed at anyone. Doesn’t add up. And for that matter, since when do cops have the right to bang on doors in the middle of the night without probable cause or announcing themselves. A motorcycle parked in a public parking lot isn’t probable cause to go banging on the closest convenient door you can find in an apartment complex and gun down the occupant.

Let me get this straight, The guy answers the door with his gun pointed at the cops. The cops draw and fire and the guy never gets off a shot? Wouldn’t it be ironic if it comes out that he didn’t even own a gun? hmmmm

I guarantee you if the guy had taken a position in his home and the cops busted in unannounced and he shot one of them, he would be facing murder charges. Protect and Serve? BS These cops were playing cowboy and didn’t even consider protecting anyone but themselves.

As far as I am concerned, It’s bad judgment coupled with poor training and lousy tactics. They didn’t even know that they shot the wrong guy for an hour and a half? Really? An entire police shift involved with this shooting and that’s considered acceptable police work? What a joke.
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Re: Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2012, 01:28:12 AM »
I don’t believe for a second that the guy opened the door with a gun pointed at anyone. Doesn’t add up. And for that matter, since when do cops have the right to bang on doors in the middle of the night without probable cause or announcing themselves. A motorcycle parked in a public parking lot isn’t probable cause to go banging on the closest convenient door you can find in an apartment complex and gun down the occupant.

Let me get this straight, The guy answers the door with his gun pointed at the cops. The cops draw and fire and the guy never gets off a shot? Wouldn’t it be ironic if it comes out that he didn’t even own a gun? hmmmm

I guarantee you if the guy had taken a position in his home and the cops busted in unannounced and he shot one of them, he would be facing murder charges. Protect and Serve? BS These cops were playing cowboy and didn’t even consider protecting anyone but themselves.

As far as I am concerned, It’s bad judgment coupled with poor training and lousy tactics. They didn’t even know that they shot the wrong guy for an hour and a half? Really? An entire police shift involved with this shooting and that’s considered acceptable police work? What a joke.


They had probable cause. They were chasing someone.

They already would have had their weapons out since the mad had just tried to crush someone's skull with a cinder block.

It was 1:30 in the morning in what seems to be a bad neighborhood. The guy probably thought they were thugs so he brought his gun -smart - BUT he opened the door all the way with it aimed in the doorway -dumb-.


If I were dumb enough to point my weapon at a doorway without peeking outside first, I would hope someone would frag me so that I couldn't help populate.
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Re: Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2012, 08:26:04 AM »
Also this thread is not intended to bash police officers. Just to discuss this and similar cases.

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Re: Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2012, 08:44:47 AM »
....This is almost ignore worthy...

They were chasing someone who attempted to kill someone.
Said person then parks his bike outside of this guy's house.
The police (trying to not let the world know they were there for obvious reasons) then knocked on the door and this guy decided to open the door with a gun pointed at the cops. I would have fragged him too.

You're trained that when someone points a weapon at you, you take them down. Especially if your chasing a potential murder suspect.



Hell my neighbors next door have a hole in their house from a shotgun blast that was fired by a police officer. Why? Because my neighbor is a moron and was walking around outside with his shotgun talking about killing everyone. He's lucky they didn't frag him then and there.

No he had a gun pointed at whoever was knocking on his door in the middle of the night. Your line of thinking is just what caused this problem. If the police are afraid to do their jobs.... they need to find another line of work. The job of a police officer is dangerous enough without these types on board.

The guy answering the door should have called 911 then stayed inside.

Of course the poorly trained officers at the door probably would have caved the door in forcing the guy to start shooting.

Cops are people too. Never go to thinking they are better or worse than the general population.

So in the end you can ignore my opinion and others and possibly in the future you can be one of these poorly trained cops too.


Real shame is that the poor folks in that town now have to protect themselves from the thugs on the street and the thugs in uniform.
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Re: Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2012, 09:25:26 AM »
There is a lot of speculation by folks here being stated as fact. You really should figure that you have not gotten all the facts, or much of any facts form a news story..

From what I have seen so far there were mistakes on both sides of that door and the entire series of mistakes ended up in a tragedy. Breaking that chain of mistakes at any point would have rendered a far different outcome.

This was not a hot pursuit situation. The Deputies lost sight of the suspect for some time. Enough time that they ended up finding the bike at a later time from the original incident. Since this is not a hot pursuit there is no need for breaking the door, nor was there any mention in the article that the door was forced by the deputies at the scene.

This was a classic case of get a surveillance team out to the apt. complex and observe. There is no immediacy or hazard like an active shooter or hostage situation. Use plain clothes folks to watch then follow or apprehend the suspect if he comes outside.

The deceased should never have opened the door at 1:30 AM just because someone knocked. If he felt threatened enough to bring a firearm to the door he should have turned on the light, looked through the peep hole (if any) or looked out the window to ID the person(s) knocking before even thinking about opening the door. He should also have called 911 while still inside the closed locked door to report the knocking and request assistance in determining wtf was going on. Last mistake would be (assuming the news has it correct) to bring a gun to the door and have it pointing to the person(s) on the outside before determining if there is A. a real threat and B what kind of threat there is. and finally C. if you think there is a threat outside the door, do NOT open it if you are on the inside behind a locked door. Stay put, out of the deadly funnel, and call for help.

The holes on the door are angled. That is reasonable to expect as the deputies are not going to stand directly in the front of the door when they figure they are going to confront a suspect. Hell it's standard practice to stand to the side period when knocking on a door anyhow. Just a good habit to get into. The one on the hinge side of the door knows already they are in the first line of fire to be available if the door starts to open.

The person inside the door probably is likely to open the door only a bit and be standing to the side so they can look outside without having to fully open the door. Would you stand in front then open it wide for an unknown knock at 1:30 AM? Having a gun pointed to the outside as you open the door leaves little to no other options but opening fire for the deputies on the outside once the threat of the gun is noted.

Those two situations would set up the shots for angled fire into the opening.
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Re: Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2012, 09:27:31 AM »
Boy, these investigations usually take a week or longer. Sometimes much longer. Some of you have remarkable investigative talents. Ones that far outstrip mine. Let alone expertise in procedure and training.

I have a tidbit for all of you to chew on. "News Outlets" aren't really "News outlets". They are business's that "sell" people the news they want to hear or read. Most of all to the simple minded and most of all the newspapers. Which are desperate due to falling revenues. And nothing makes money more then a negative Police story splashed across the front page. Ive sat there and watched a stack of papers sell out with such front pages on them in 1/2 the usual time, customers grimacing as if it was Moses coming down from the mountain with breaking news. :lol My God but people are simple!

Let the investigation play out before coming out with your theorys and opinions. Ive known many guys make the papers accused of all kinds of stuff, most of all bad shoots, and when they are eventually exonerated its all old news. It never even makes print.
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Re: Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2012, 10:21:03 AM »
Boy, these investigations usually take a week or longer. Sometimes much longer. Some of you have remarkable investigative talents. Ones that far outstrip mine. Let alone expertise in procedure and training.

I have a tidbit for all of you to chew on. "News Outlets" aren't really "News outlets". They are business's that "sell" people the news they want to hear or read. Most of all to the simple minded and most of all the newspapers. Which are desperate due to falling revenues. And nothing makes money more then a negative Police story splashed across the front page. Ive sat there and watched a stack of papers sell out with such front pages on them in 1/2 the usual time, customers grimacing as if it was Moses coming down from the mountain with breaking news. :lol My God but people are simple!

Let the investigation play out before coming out with your theorys and opinions. Ive known many guys make the papers accused of all kinds of stuff, most of all bad shoots, and when they are eventually exonerated its all old news. It never even makes print.

The posts on this story are based on the story.... however if the story is correct folks are posting about what was wrong or right in their opinion. As far as what actually happened... that will take time.

It is commion knowledge that there are no "News" sources anymore. They all want to inject their own spin.
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Re: Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2012, 10:28:20 AM »
The posts on this story are based on the story.... however if the story is correct folks are posting about what was wrong or right in their opinion. As far as what actually happened... that will take time.

No. It wont. By the time the facts are hashed out it will be Old news and wont make print. All that will be left are the attitudes of the people who saw the original story.
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Re: Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2012, 10:36:01 AM »
Can someone tell me how so many bullet holes ended up in the door when the door was supposedly open?

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Re: Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2012, 11:00:52 AM »
My interpretation of the event is not in what the media is spewing out to get their ratings. It’s with the admission of the facts from the officers on scene.
1.   They did not acknowledge themselves as law enforcement when knocking on an undetermined residence at 1:30 am. Add to the fact that this isn’t the best of neighborhoods.
2.   They had no probable cause to knock on the door. They made this determination because they saw the motorcycle parked in the parking lot and decided to bang on the closest door they found. Chasing bad guys doesn’t give them probable cause to enter your home or attack a citizen based on the facts they had at the time.
3.   One innocent US citizen is shot dead in his own home.
4.   They didn’t even know they gunned down the wrong guy for an hour and a half. This is just unconceivable to me.

This has nothing to do with bashing cops. This has everything to do with our rights as citizens. You can play devil’s advocate all day about how the guy should have done this or that but you can’t beat the facts.

At the end of the day an innocent man was shot and killed in his own home. This is why we have procedures (or supposed to have) to protect innocent civilians. If we take the position of (oh well, the guy shouldn’t of done this or he should of called 911, or he should have looked out his peep hole) then where will we be 10 years from now.

What’s next, proper procedure for families to answer their own doors or the police have the right to gun you down?

This sounds more like a bad remake of  Tango and Cash
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Re: Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2012, 11:11:08 AM »
I'm sure the police officers won't get in trouble for anything...usually never do even if they are at fault. The police will feed the news anything they want us to hear...considering the other side of the story is nonexistent.
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Re: Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2012, 11:24:30 AM »
No. It wont. By the time the facts are hashed out it will be Old news and wont make print. All that will be left are the attitudes of the people who saw the original story.

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