Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door

[guncrasher]

Dude you need to lay off the YouTube and pick up a book....better yet, go on a "ride along". Talk with your local law enforcement officers, stop being a shut in.

I know only one other person who thinks the exact same way as you. You know what's hilarious? He's a guy that gets drunk nearly every night and smokes weed almost non-stop.

I'm thinking that is what's wrong with you. You've done something, at some point in time that has completely destroyed your ability to have a rational thought.

I dont smoke weed or get drunk every day. but I agree with shuffler.  there's way too many cowboys out there with badges.  I'll give you an example.  a couple of months ago I stopped at the local 7-11 to buy a beer after work.  it was around 2 pm  and I noticed there was an officer at the door talking to some kids.  the only parking space was right where they were so I proceeded slowly as some of the kids had their backs to me, the police officer noticed me and I see him turned towards me and put his hand on his weapon while he kept talking to the kids.  what exactly did I do wrong there?  was I being too careful for his taste?  did he just see a middle age brown skin guy as a threat?  I have no idea as I wasnt gonna ask, but all the way from where I stopped  turned the engine off with only one hand while the other was on the steering while then proceeded slowly to get off the truck and walk with my hands in plain view, even as I was opening the door.  not until i went past him and into the store that he removed the hand from his weapon.

all I thought up at that moment was that if I had been armed as it is my legal right as a law abiding citizen, i would have gotten shot right on the spot.  and he would have been found justified.  

I have some friends that are officers and I hear stories about what other officers do.  and they do think some dont deserve to have a badge but on the other hand there's nothing they can do about it.   the majority of officers are out there doing good in the community but it's the few who have a power complex and think everybody is out to get them and that is scary.

semp

[Plawranc]

This is a tragic accident.

However, like I say with all these protesters being shot in Egypt and Syria. And as I say about Americans shot by the police.

Threatening and or attempting to injure\kill armed officers\ soldiers... will only EVER have one ending. If you are stupid enough to do so, you suffer the consequences.

[Rob52240]

This is a tragic accident.

However, like I say with all these protesters being shot in Egypt and Syria. And as I say about Americans shot by the police.

Threatening and or attempting to injure\kill armed officers\ soldiers... will only EVER have one ending. If you are stupid enough to do so, you suffer the consequences.

I don't see how he intentionally did this.  Conversely, I can barely see how he unintentionally did this.  If I lived in a rough neighborhood and someone was banging on my door in the middle of the night I would probably arm myself before further investigation to find out who was banging on my door.

The cop saw a gun and reacted, probably before he thought about it consciously.  Something similar happened here some time ago.  A local business owner's son was in the business after hours, a neighboring business called the police because they lights were on at an unusual hour.  The responding officer entered the business to investigate and  thought the phone that the man was holding was a gun so he immediately shot him in the back several times.

[Rob52240]

Accidents happen but I can't help but be a bit disturbed by sheer number of people who seem to immediately adopt a 'police can do no wrong' mentality when things like this happen.

[hlbly]

And the officers have the right to protect themselves if they feel threatened.

Would you NOT feel threatened if someone pointed a gun at you?

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And what police officer isn't trained to ID themselves???? That's a 101 type thing there. Hell you can learn that from watching COPS...hell it doesn't even have to be COPS, you can learn it from Bones, CSI, NASH, hell even Walker Texas Ranger. Trying to blame it on poor training it like trying to pour purified water into the ocean and then saying  the clouds are evaporating only your water due to poor chemical reactions.

I don't care who you are, where I'm at, what you do - if you point a weapon at me you WILL be dropped. If not, I'll die shooting.


Yes. Defend yourselves in your homes, but for the love of all that is holy; don't be a moron about it.


If you think you're gonna open your door at 1:30 AM, point a gun at someone and expect them to run off - you're living in a fantasy land.
He's lucky it was the Police. If it had been a thug they would have not only killed him, but the girlfriend he was supposedly watching movies with as well.


Trying to look like a badarse sure pays off.




EDIT: "Last resort" comment: When you're in the area of a potential murder suspect and someone points a gun at you - that IS your last resort.

Dude you don't know how ignorant this post is do you ? Ever think you might be talking to an actual cop ? Maybe the kind we don't  have enough of ? The kind that is willing to call it a mistake ? You can't equate what you did in Afghanistan with law enforcement here in the U.S. Before you make any more mistakes think about who else might have the same kind of experiences you do .

[MarineUS]

1. Not at one point did I say anyone with a badge is correct. Putting words in my mouth won't make you correct.

2. Yes. Cops mess up, BUT I'd expect any officer in the country to shoot me if I pointed a gun at him.

3. What did we learn? Don't answer the door for a random person at 1:30AM and don't do it with a gun.

4. Widewig - I lol'd at the second base comment.



You can call it ignorant but the report said they were looking for a guy who tried to crush someone's skull with a cinder block and his bike was there. It's putting two and two together. "Potential killer owns this bike. Seems to be his only way to go so he shouldn't be far. Hmm...let's be cautious."


The reason I used my experience is because most of the people on here ragging the cops have never - not ever - had a loaded firearm pointed at them.

[MiloMorai]

The reason I used my experience is because most of the people on here ragging the cops have never - not ever - had a loaded firearm pointed at them.

I have. Lets just say a guy pointed a rifle at me and the cop I was with pointed his pistol at him, with me stuck between them.

The cop talked the guy into putting down the rifle. If it was the USA, I most probably would be dead now, caught in the middle of a shoot out.

[Rob52240]

Lol. The dude was a drug dealer. He opened his door up (I'm assuming at this point) thinking some dope man, or addict was at his door (more than likely). You play on that side of the world, you pay the price.

And just because they didn't identify themselves removes the fact they were officers? Yes that makes sense. I guess I'm a transgender then since I don't announce I'm a male to everyone I meet either. 

Anyone who thinks they need to pull out a gun when there is a knock on the door is better off dialing the police instead of trying to be John Wayne.





First off, I find this hard to believe.

"Ransack"? As in...they flip over couches, bust windows, rip out drawers onto the floor, smash televisions and computers etc.? Yeah. I call total BS on that.
They can not legally bust into your house without a warrant.
OR do you mean they just come in and look around and search? Those are two totally different things, though doing both without a warrant is illegal.

"Knock and TALK" - Sounds more like they knock on your door and ask if they can come in. Just like if you're pulled over you can deny them the right to search your vehicle unless you give them probable cause.


They're like vampires. They can't come in unless you invite them in.  (Or again; give them probable cause.)

The only way I've witnessed a knock and talk being carried out is like this.

They knock, if the homeowner opens the door, they force their way in and say they were let in.  There is no broken door because they knocked and let the homeowner open it.

Then they search the place and make a mess of everything, if they find contraband they pick one or two items and say that those items were in plain sight when the homeowner opened the door and those items become probable cause for the ransacking that happened before they found anything.

Smart people here in town will call the local newspaper when the police don't have a warrant and won't get off the front porch because the homeowner won't answer the door.

This wasn't easy for me to believe either until I saw it happen first hand.  Even though there have been more times than I can count that police officers have violated my civil rights simply because they can get away with it.

[Rob52240]

The reason I used my experience is because most of the people on here ragging the cops have never - not ever - had a loaded firearm pointed at them.

I have more than once, all by police too.  You'd be singing a different tune if you got boxed in by 3 squad cars for failure to signal and instead of walking up to your window to talk they draw their guns and scream at you to get out of the car with your hands up one at a time.  The icing on the cake is after the stop is over, when you get to take the pile left on the roadside that was your car's interior and try and put it all back together after they've left to go 'protect and serve' other citizens. 

In my experience, 99% of off duty cops are nice guys but about 90% of those on duty  act like they're having a contest to see how fast they can fill up the jail. 
I have a lot more respect for my county Sheriff, but he's been at war with the police dept since he got elected and goes to every city council meeting to complain about the police constantly filling up his jail past capacity with people who don't belong in cages.

[narsus]

An ex-girlfriends brother (who was a friend of mine) pointed an SKS at me and not so politely asked me stop dating his sister.

He succeeded in convincing me.

[MarineUS]

An ex-girlfriends brother (who was a friend of mine) pointed an SKS at me and not so politely asked me stop dating his sister.

He succeeded in convincing me.

And I don't know where in the hell you guys live but that is completely psychotic. No one down here would believe a lick of that...but I guess that's because you folks probably live in bigger towns.

Down here folks still wave when you drive by each other on the road, our police enforce the law, and we're bored out of our minds a lot but we wouldn't trade it for a big city if you dropped 30 million on our laps.

[narsus]

And I don't know where in the hell you guys live but that is completely psychotic. No one down here would believe a lick of that...but I guess that's because you folks probably live in bigger towns.

Down here folks still wave when you drive by each other on the road, our police enforce the law, and we're bored out of our minds a lot but we wouldn't trade it for a big city if you dropped 30 million on our laps.

I lived in NY for my first 34 years or so...the above incident happened when I was about 21. The ex-friend in question was not entirely "stable" truth be told and he collected assault rifles (not the best mix).

I remember when I was in middle school, we had 7 riots (5 to 30 students involved each incident) in one day. A friend of mine was stabbed in school when I was in 11th grade,
and the year after I graduated someone was shot and killed during a basketball game at my high school.

Now I live in a nice small town in Virginia, and say "hello" to people as you walk down the street instead of wondering if you will get jumped, offered drugs, prostitutes, mugged or shot.

MarineUS,

Below is a quick link of recent violent crime in my home town and immediate surrounding area. I grew up in Brentwood, the above friend was from Central Islip which is also listed:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/crime/recent-violent-crimes-in-brentwood-and-c-islip-1.1806403?qr=1

Many of the violent crimes occurred extremely close to where my mother and sister lives now, a few only one or two blocks away.

[MarineUS]

That's why I like living down here. It's nice.

[Flench]

And I don't know where in the hell you guys live but that is completely psychotic. No one down here would believe a lick of that...but I guess that's because you folks probably live in bigger towns.

Down here folks still wave when you drive by each other on the road, our police enforce the law, and we're bored out of our minds a lot but we wouldn't trade it for a big city if you dropped 30 million on our laps.

Same here MarineUS . I would not give it up for anything . I love living in the stick's .

[Rich46yo]

My hand is on my .45 a lot. Probably more then the Policeman that so offended you. Its training, habit, and instinct. Jeez what a sniveling post. How in hell do you know what he would have done if he knew you were lawfully armed?

The ghetto I work in almost everyone above the age of 5yo could possibly have an unlawful gun. The criminals have more and better guns then we have and I could give a running snot if some citizen is offended by my hand being on my holstered pistol. Waaa-Waaaa-Waaaa!

Thanks tho for not telling us the "stories my cop friends tell me". You spared us that at least.

I dont smoke weed or get drunk every day. but I agree with shuffler.  there's way too many cowboys out there with badges.  I'll give you an example.  a couple of months ago I stopped at the local 7-11 to buy a beer after work.  it was around 2 pm  and I noticed there was an officer at the door talking to some kids.  the only parking space was right where they were so I proceeded slowly as some of the kids had their backs to me, the police officer noticed me and I see him turned towards me and put his hand on his weapon while he kept talking to the kids.  what exactly did I do wrong there?  was I being too careful for his taste?  did he just see a middle age brown skin guy as a threat?  I have no idea as I wasnt gonna ask, but all the way from where I stopped  turned the engine off with only one hand while the other was on the steering while then proceeded slowly to get off the truck and walk with my hands in plain view, even as I was opening the door.  not until i went past him and into the store that he removed the hand from his weapon.

all I thought up at that moment was that if I had been armed as it is my legal right as a law abiding citizen, i would have gotten shot right on the spot.  and he would have been found justified.  

I have some friends that are officers and I hear stories about what other officers do.  and they do think some dont deserve to have a badge but on the other hand there's nothing they can do about it.   the majority of officers are out there doing good in the community but it's the few who have a power complex and think everybody is out to get them and that is scary.

semp