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Offline Jayhawk

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #120 on: July 25, 2012, 09:01:12 PM »
How about any of the other mass shooting that have been brought up? Did they use explosives?

Obviously mass SHOOTINGS are going to use guns...

What about Oklahoma City?  He didn't use guns.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #121 on: July 25, 2012, 09:40:35 PM »
Jimson, do you feel a 15-round clip is sufficient for self-defense purposes?

Seriously? 

You propose limiting how many much opportunity a law-abiding citizen has to defend himself?  Against a criminal who obviously isn't going to follow any legal limits?  Do you see that as logical?

I'm interested in the discussion of course, but don't believe there's any real chance of this type of legislation in the foreseeable future. 


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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #122 on: July 25, 2012, 09:43:04 PM »
The improvement would be less damage in these mass shootings, for the loss of virtually no liberties. A simple law that would pay dividends in saved lives when people snap and go on rampages. My idea on enforcement is definately not set in stone, but the solution I offered would make further sale and production of such magazines for civilian use illegal. Businesses with them in stock would be refunded and the magazines would be taken off the market. Sales would be illegal and carry punishments just like any other illegal sale.

your assuming that you could get rid of all high cap magazines .and the next shooter will obey the law and not get one illegally..  

mtman beat me to it... see my avatar for further commentary
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #123 on: July 25, 2012, 09:56:49 PM »
Think the movie theater said no "guns allowed".  I'm going to put that on my front door to keep out the bad guys.
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« Reply #124 on: July 25, 2012, 09:57:58 PM »
no guns allowed....
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #125 on: July 25, 2012, 09:59:05 PM »
Think the movie theater said no "guns allowed".  I'm going to put that on my front door to keep out the bad guys.


Genius.  This kind of thinking would have saved me some money on a gun of my own.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #126 on: July 25, 2012, 10:06:14 PM »
What is the number one assault weapon in the USA?  Couldn't be a golf club?
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #127 on: July 25, 2012, 10:07:31 PM »
7 iron?
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #128 on: July 25, 2012, 11:00:56 PM »
your assuming that you could get rid of all high cap magazines .and the next shooter will obey the law and not get one illegally..  

mtman beat me to it... see my avatar for further commentary

If you would have looked at some of my posts a little more closely, you might have noticed that my proposed solution for enforcement did not propose confiscating every standard-capacity mag that people already own. Rather, future sales and production would be halted, and any business who had them still in stock would forfeit them but be refunded. This would remove the easy access that mass murderers have and use to secure such deadly accessories. Those who currently own them would be allowed to keep them legally.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #129 on: July 25, 2012, 11:01:45 PM »
If you would have looked at some of my posts a little more closely, you might have noticed that my proposed solution for enforcement did not propose confiscating every standard-capacity mag that people already own. Rather, future sales and production would be halted, and any business who had them still in stock would forfeit them but be refunded. This would remove the easy access that mass murderers have and use to secure such deadly accessories. Those who currently own them would be allowed to keep them legally.

Would people who own them be allowed to sell them?
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #130 on: July 25, 2012, 11:11:05 PM »
Jayhawk, my solution would prohibit all further sales. Maybe there could be a program to sell them to the government. Like Widewing mentioned though, there is a good chance those will end up in Mexico.  
Obviously mass SHOOTINGS are going to use guns...
 

You got me there  :lol
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« Reply #131 on: July 25, 2012, 11:23:47 PM »
MtnMan, obviously limiting the capacity of a gun used for self-defense would not be the intention; however, it would be a by-product. That's why I asked someone who I percieve to be a gun owner if a 15-round magazine would cause someone who has a gun for self-defense any apprehension. Also, I would wager that most break-ins don't involve a perpetrator with an assault weapon with standard-capacity magazines.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #132 on: July 26, 2012, 06:40:44 AM »
MtnMan, obviously limiting the capacity of a gun used for self-defense would not be the intention; however, it would be a by-product. That's why I asked someone who I percieve to be a gun owner if a 15-round magazine would cause someone who has a gun for self-defense any apprehension. Also, I would wager that most break-ins don't involve a perpetrator with an assault weapon with standard-capacity magazines.

It doesn't matter to me what type of weapon a perpetrator uses (assault weapon or not).  I'm concerned that you would expect a law-abiding citizen to retrain him/herself to "legal" limits when it comes to how much self-defense they can use to save their lives.  Sure, we could agree that 15 rounds are enough; what makes you think others wouldn't settle on 2 or 3 rounds?  Or single-shot for that matter? 

MANY criminals already use "illegal" weapons in illegal ways.  How would your proposal stop that?  Handguns are illegal in Chicago, right?  It's one of the strictest anti-gun cities, but is still full of illegal handguns.  How are they criminals getting these, if they're not for sale?  How are they carrying them if it's illegal to do so?  Why aren't they playing by the rules?
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #133 on: July 26, 2012, 07:28:51 AM »
Yes, I hear that chocolate, cheese and protecting the financial anonymity of the world's richest criminals tends to promote calmness.

Not quite right, so let me enlighten you. We have one of the highest standards of living in the world couple that with a general high average income and very little crime compared to other countrys.

For some reason I always hear that stupid argument that Switzerland has such a low crime rate because of the amount of guns in the civilian population. This is just BS tbh. When you have a good life and the basics are taken care off there is very little motivation to steal and commit crime.

I personally have a military grade SIG 550/II assault rifle (Full Auto for those who want to know) at home. I am a soldier in the swiss armed forces and as such per law I have my service weapon at home. This comes from the old military doctrine to have the whole country ready and armed in less then 24 hours in the case of war. Nowadays this doctrine is rather silly as our neighbours Germany, Austria, France and Italy have been living in peace for the last 65 years.

You don't need a weapon to kill someone, if you are trained like me you can do that just with your hands.

Personally for me it comes down to living circumstances and the higher amounts of anti-depressants. I am almost certain that all recent shootings like this were because these wackos were on some severe meds who skew ones perception of reality. And since most of America is on some form of drugs these days there are certainly gonna be more incidents like this.




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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #134 on: July 26, 2012, 07:53:15 AM »
MANY criminals already use "illegal" weapons in illegal ways.  How would your proposal stop that?  Handguns are illegal in Chicago, right?  It's one of the strictest anti-gun cities, but is still full of illegal handguns.  How are they criminals getting these, if they're not for sale?  How are they carrying them if it's illegal to do so?  Why aren't they playing by the rules?

I don't buy the "if there's a will, there's a way" argument when it comes to the mentally insane that commit these crimes. I'd be very interested to find out who James Holmes could call, besides any gun store currently, to acquire such a magazine.  I don't think many people would have access to an M16 with a 30 round magazine, much less 100-rounds in the first place. The biggest thing though was the man was insane; he wasn't in the mob or a drug cartel where illegal weapons are abound.  The same with Jared Lee Loughner and Colin Ferguson, and many more. These people aren't hardened criminals with easy access to any illegal weapon or accessory they may want, like the perpetrators in the gang-related shootings in Chicago.