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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #405 on: August 03, 2012, 03:06:53 PM »


Like, ya know, when that thing that makes you move, it has pistons and things, When your thingamajigy is providing power, you do not hear other peoples thingamajig when they are providing power.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #406 on: August 03, 2012, 03:31:04 PM »
a nook doesnt kill people, the guy who authorised its use did.

therefore everyone should be allowed to own a nook.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #407 on: August 03, 2012, 03:46:03 PM »
a nook doesnt kill people, the guy who authorised its use did.

therefore everyone should be allowed to own a nook.

I was looking for a photo of a nook when I came across this... I thought it was worth sharing.




Anyway I think you are referring to a "nuke", and if that is the case it is a completely ridiculous comparison. Please try a little harder next time.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #408 on: August 03, 2012, 04:01:18 PM »
When people ask me what they can do about crime I usually respond by saying, "move out of the city". Ive got enough time on to tell them the truth and not worry.

Honestly, concealed carry permits for citizens is probably the only real effective crime prevention measure Ive seen in all my time on the job. Prisons might as well have turnstyles in them and inmates given "return to jail cards" on their way out.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #409 on: August 03, 2012, 04:09:27 PM »
Anyway I think you are referring to a "nuke", and if that is the case it is a completely ridiculous comparison. Please try a little harder next time.

I was using your argument and taking it to its logical, and ridiculous extreme - reductio ad absurdum


and yes that was definitely worth sharing :aok
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #410 on: August 03, 2012, 05:18:04 PM »
I was using your argument and taking it to its logical, and ridiculous extreme - reductio ad absurdum


and yes that was definitely worth sharing :aok

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #411 on: August 03, 2012, 05:25:38 PM »
When people ask me what they can do about crime I usually respond by saying, "move out of the city". Ive got enough time on to tell them the truth and not worry.

Honestly, concealed carry permits for citizens is probably the only real effective crime prevention measure Ive seen in all my time on the job. Prisons might as well have turnstyles in them and inmates given "return to jail cards" on their way out.

right you tell us that it's okay for a police officer to look at someone with his hand on his gun and on the other to carry a concealed weapon.   I have no doubt that had I been carrying mine in plain view like I'm allowed by the second amendment, I would have been dead.

so I guess you mean we should carry a concealed weapon as long as there isn't any officer nearby.


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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #412 on: August 03, 2012, 07:37:46 PM »
isn't that what you are doing?  You are assuming that the criminal would have been unarmed if the operation hadn't been started.  or perhaps the only guns criminals have are those provided by the atf.

I am not going to argue that fast and Furious was a messed up op and people should have been terminated beginning with the one who authorized it.  

However only way holder would be responsible for the death would be if him or an agent personally handed the rifle to the criminal and told him where the officer was.

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I said. "You cannot say that the killer would have obtained another weapon. You can't know that even if he had, whether or not that weapon would be as lethal as a 7.62mm rifle". The point, which apparently escapes you, is that there is no way to know if the killer would have otherwise been armed. Probability indicates that if he were armed, it would have been less likely to have been a 7.62mm rifle, which would easily penetrate the agent's vest.

For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of the horseshoe, the King's horse was lost. For want of a horse, the king was lost... Tragic progressions are often started by seemingly small mistakes.

Even though I didn't even mention Holder, yes, Holder has some responsibility here... It was his agency that made this tremendous error in judgment. Government entities are like cesspools; the big turds always rise to the top. It is however, the small turds that splash ones ass.... Someone well below Holder ran this idiotic Op, and that person or persons need to account for their negligence that cost one life for sure, and who knows how many others in Mexico.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #413 on: August 03, 2012, 09:14:40 PM »
right you tell us that it's okay for a police officer to look at someone with his hand on his gun and on the other to carry a concealed weapon.   I have no doubt that had I been carrying mine in plain view like I'm allowed by the second amendment, I would have been dead.

so I guess you mean we should carry a concealed weapon as long as there isn't any officer nearby.


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:lol Dude you live in a jacked up fantasy where every cop wants to kill you.

I have NEVER - not EVER - even in the bigger cities, while carrying (no need for a permit if it's open carry) who, instead of SHOOTING you; ASK you ABOUT your weapon, where you got it, how much it costs and how accurate it is. Not because they're suspicious but because folks who own guns talk to each other like guys do with cars and trucks.

You need to get out of the house more and off YouTube less. It's affecting your ability to have a grasp on reality.

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EDIT: Meant to say OFF youtube lol not on. xD
« Last Edit: August 03, 2012, 11:36:04 PM by MarineUS »
Like, ya know, when that thing that makes you move, it has pistons and things, When your thingamajigy is providing power, you do not hear other peoples thingamajig when they are providing power.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #414 on: August 03, 2012, 11:08:55 PM »
:lol Dude you live in a jacked up fantasy where every cop wants to kill you.

I have NEVER - not EVER - even in the bigger cities, while carrying (no need for a permit if it's open carry) who, instead of SHOOTING you; ASK you ABOUT your weapon, where you got it, how much it costs and how accurate it is. Not because they're suspicious but because folks who own guns talk to each other like guys do with cars and trucks.

You need to get out of the house more and on YouTube less. It's affecting your ability to have a grasp on reality.

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You'll get to chill with a cop and see what they do during the day. It's pretty cool.

really? marine usa, I dont know where you live, but where I live there's no drive by shootings, there's no gang members sitting on every corner selling dope, there's no gunfire heard at night.  and I dont carry a weapon with me because I dont feel unsafe going outside to the store.  the only time I have felt threatened by anybody in a long time is when that officer put his hand on his gun.  and my only crime was to stop at the store to buy a beer.  I didnt give the officer  a mean look, I actually looked at him and smiled while looking at him in the eye.  which is what I do to everybody.  I say hi or smile as I feel it's the right thing to do with strangers.

and you marineusa, you better stop thinking you are still in afghanistan as you are not.  you are the paranoid one who thinks behind every door there's a bad guy.  and specially should stop putting your hand on your weapon like you do, because there's only two reason you do it.  either to intimidate or you think everybody is out to get you.  because to be honest if I was carrying my gun and I saw somebody looking at me while putting his hand on his weapon, I am gonna reach for mine as my thought would be he's damn crazy and I am not sure if he's gonna pull it out or not, but I would rather be safe and shoot.  and I would be justified as all I need to say is he was reaching for his weapon and I have no idea why.

and dont give me that bs that you just have your hand there resting, as here in the usa that is considered a threatening move.  and you are dreaming if you think a police officer that you dont know is just gonna walk out to you and talk about women and guns if you look at him while putting your hand on your weapon.


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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #415 on: August 03, 2012, 11:50:12 PM »
really? marine usa, I dont know where you live, but where I live there's no drive by shootings, there's no gang members sitting on every corner selling dope, there's no gunfire heard at night.  and I dont carry a weapon with me because I dont feel unsafe going outside to the store.  the only time I have felt threatened by anybody in a long time is when that officer put his hand on his gun.  and my only crime was to stop at the store to buy a beer.  I didnt give the officer  a mean look, I actually looked at him and smiled while looking at him in the eye.  which is what I do to everybody.  I say hi or smile as I feel it's the right thing to do with strangers.

and you marineusa, you better stop thinking you are still in afghanistan as you are not.  you are the paranoid one who thinks behind every door there's a bad guy.  and specially should stop putting your hand on your weapon like you do, because there's only two reason you do it.  either to intimidate or you think everybody is out to get you.  because to be honest if I was carrying my gun and I saw somebody looking at me while putting his hand on his weapon, I am gonna reach for mine as my thought would be he's damn crazy and I am not sure if he's gonna pull it out or not, but I would rather be safe and shoot.  and I would be justified as all I need to say is he was reaching for his weapon and I have no idea why.

and dont give me that bs that you just have your hand there resting, as here in the usa that is considered a threatening move.  and you are dreaming if you think a police officer that you dont know is just gonna walk out to you and talk about women and guns if you look at him while putting your hand on your weapon.


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I'm not paranoid. Matter of fact, were you part of the group talking about how the cops should not have shot the guy even though he opened the door with one pointed at them? You got freaked over a guy just TOUCHING his....how do you think those cops felt with one pointed out that door? If I was paranoid, I wouldn't want anyone to own a gun. Ever. I carry because I go to the range at random and it's a deterrent. Just because I carry doesn't mean I'm paranoid. (I'm assuming that's why you think I'm paranoid.)
I'm a Marine. I am afraid of no man.....unless he is a Gunnery Sergeant....or a First Sergeant, at which point I avoid them at all costs.  :lol

You would honestly put your hand on your gun because a cop put his hand on his? THAT is paranoid.

I want everyone to see that. I bolded, underlined and italicized that just so everyone can see that. I want them to see YOU calling ME paranoid, yet saying you would get ready to draw your weapon on a cop because he rested his hand on his weapon. If ANYONE is paranoid here, it's you bud.

I don't consider it a threat. I and several of my friends have a habit of resting our hands on our sidearm. If he had unhooked it and began a slow or quick upward motion (would mean he is drawing it), then yes it would have been threatening, however; the man was just being cautious. You never know if he had been shot on duty before, he may have been mugged at some point in his life, there are countless variables but instead of thinking outside the box you refuse to see anything but YOUR way no matter WHAT logic is put in front of you.

I was expecting a battle of wits but you seem to have come unarmed and therefore I must step away from this argument literally laughing and feeling pity for you and how closed minded you seem to be.
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Like, ya know, when that thing that makes you move, it has pistons and things, When your thingamajigy is providing power, you do not hear other peoples thingamajig when they are providing power.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #416 on: August 04, 2012, 02:05:00 AM »
I'm not paranoid. Matter of fact, were you part of the group talking about how the cops should not have shot the guy even though he opened the door with one pointed at them? You got freaked over a guy just TOUCHING his....how do you think those cops felt with one pointed out that door? If I was paranoid, I wouldn't want anyone to own a gun. Ever. I carry because I go to the range at random and it's a deterrent. Just because I carry doesn't mean I'm paranoid. (I'm assuming that's why you think I'm paranoid.)
I'm a Marine. I am afraid of no man.....unless he is a Gunnery Sergeant....or a First Sergeant, at which point I avoid them at all costs.  :lol

You would honestly put your hand on your gun because a cop put his hand on his? THAT is paranoid.

I want everyone to see that. I bolded, underlined and italicized that just so everyone can see that. I want them to see YOU calling ME paranoid, yet saying you would get ready to draw your weapon on a cop because he rested his hand on his weapon. If ANYONE is paranoid here, it's you bud.

I don't consider it a threat. I and several of my friends have a habit of resting our hands on our sidearm. If he had unhooked it and began a slow or quick upward motion (would mean he is drawing it), then yes it would have been threatening, however; the man was just being cautious. You never know if he had been shot on duty before, he may have been mugged at some point in his life, there are countless variables but instead of thinking outside the box you refuse to see anything but YOUR way no matter WHAT logic is put in front of you.

I was expecting a battle of wits but you seem to have come unarmed and therefore I must step away from this argument literally laughing and feeling pity for you and how closed minded you seem to be.


so you are in the military and you dont consider somebody looking at you and putting his hand on his gun a threat.  ok sure you keep believing that.

but ask yourself somebody knocks on your door in the middle of the night.  do you go armed, or do you open the door and smile and say hi, how are you, come in would you like some tea?

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #417 on: August 04, 2012, 08:19:16 AM »
right you tell us that it's okay for a police officer to look at someone with his hand on his gun and on the other to carry a concealed weapon.   I have no doubt that had I been carrying mine in plain view like I'm allowed by the second amendment, I would have been dead.

so I guess you mean we should carry a concealed weapon as long as there isn't any officer nearby.


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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #418 on: August 04, 2012, 11:36:35 AM »
Yeah, I'm completely lost on what guncrasher is trying to say.   :huh
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #419 on: August 04, 2012, 11:42:02 AM »
Yeah, I'm completely lost on what guncrasher is trying to say.   :huh


I think that at this point he is just trying to be argumentative.


Trying and failing.


Oh well, that's semp.


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