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Offline Dead Man Flying

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Re: Chick-fil-A for lunch today
« Reply #90 on: August 02, 2012, 11:15:29 AM »
They are not targeting a type of business.... they are singling out one business. That is illegal.

I imagine the legality of it varies from state to state or city to city.

Note that these cities weren't threatening to shut down existing Chick Fil-As over this, as that would be clearly illegal.

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« Reply #91 on: August 02, 2012, 11:20:03 AM »
Or are you trying to educate the people who went in some way?

This.

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Bunch of people went to show support of a business. Nothing really anybody posts can make those that went feel any different about their motivations. It's really entertaining to see the reaction from various groups across the nation. It's also kind of rewarding.

Then say you wanted to show support for the business.  You said you did it to show support for First Amendment rights.  No you didn't, and if you did, you did so erroneously since nobody was violating anybody's rights.  If anything, you did it to tweak "various groups" more than anything.  Fair enough, but at least be honest with yourself and others.

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« Reply #92 on: August 02, 2012, 11:23:28 AM »
You asked where government was involved in this and I answered you.

The government isn't involved in a First Amendment way.  In any event, it's all political puffery and pandering, which is in fact protected speech even if despicable.

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Re: Chick-fil-A for lunch today
« Reply #93 on: August 02, 2012, 11:26:27 AM »
This.

Then say you wanted to show support for the business.  You said you did it to show support for First Amendment rights.  No you didn't, and if you did, you did so erroneously since nobody was violating anybody's rights.  If anything, you did it to tweak "various groups" more than anything.  Fair enough, but at least be honest with yourself and others.


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« Reply #94 on: August 02, 2012, 11:29:46 AM »
Thank you for helping me understand myself better.  :devil

You're welcome.  :)

BTW Polynesian sauce has to have crack in it.  I would put that stuff on anything.

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« Reply #95 on: August 02, 2012, 11:40:38 AM »
Yes. And its really getting annoying.


But what I don't get is why theres such a big fight over the whole 'marriage' thing. To be frank, I've always felt the biggest reason for marriage is to create a stable enviornment in which to raise children. Since gays are incapable of reproducing with eachother, its really kind of a non-issue. As for addopted children raised by gays, having two dads would draw more FlaK from haters than having 'parents' who aren't married.

Unless theres some other benefits to being 'married' that I'm not aware of (I'm 17, don't judge) that a 'domestic partnership' or whatever they call it in whatever area can't match, it really seems like a "hey, look at us!!!" thing.

There are many benefits to be being married. For example obtaining medical insurance through a spouse's employer, the ability to file tax returns jointly, estate benefits, hospital visitation rights, etc.

And there are many same-sex couples that have children, both biological and adopted.

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Re: Chick-fil-A for lunch today
« Reply #96 on: August 02, 2012, 11:49:58 AM »
I choose not to eat there.  He absolutely has a right to his beliefs and can choose how to run his business, up to and including donating money to anti-gay groups.  That being said, his consequences for those actions is that I, and many others, choose not to support that business anymore.

Free commerce, first amendment rights at their best both ways.  Carry On.

BTW, how is this thread still open!?
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Re: Chick-fil-A for lunch today
« Reply #97 on: August 02, 2012, 11:52:46 AM »
They ran out of food here. xD

And why is everyone surprised about his beliefs? It's a business that is always closed on Sunday and has always...ya know...just so this thread doesn't get locked, I'm gonna walk away.

This being a shock to a lot of people just shows how stupid our country is and how LITTLE thought they put into anything they use or where they go.
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« Reply #98 on: August 02, 2012, 11:56:39 AM »
They ran out of food here. xD

And why is everyone surprised about his beliefs? It's a business that is always closed on Sunday and has always...ya know...just so this thread doesn't get locked, I'm gonna walk away.

This being a shock to a lot of people just shows how stupid our country is and how LITTLE thought they put into anything they use or where they go.

Think about all the businesses you patron in a week.  It would be a monumental task to research every establishments history, goals, financial statements, etc.  Just because a business is closed on Sunday doesn't mean we can assume the group has donated money to an anti-gay group.  You've probably been a patron at plenty of businesses that you wouldn't necessarily agree with ideologically.
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« Reply #99 on: August 02, 2012, 12:00:45 PM »
The funny thing is, it seems a good portion of the people supporting Chick-Fil-A over "They have a right to free speech" were also the ones to threaten to boycott Oreo over their 'Pride' cookie promotion. :neener:

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« Reply #100 on: August 02, 2012, 12:14:58 PM »
The funny thing is, it seems a good portion of the people supporting Chick-Fil-A over "They have a right to free speech" were also the ones to threaten to boycott Oreo over their 'Pride' cookie promotion. :neener:

Not down here. No one cares what you have, where you put it or what gets put into it. You do it in your bedroom? Good. I can't see it, therefore; I do not care.
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God you people all lived in some really jacked up places.


Think about all the businesses you patron in a week.  It would be a monumental task to research every establishments history, goals, financial statements, etc.  Just because a business is closed on Sunday doesn't mean we can assume the group has donated money to an anti-gay group.  You've probably been a patron at plenty of businesses that you wouldn't necessarily agree with ideologically.
I don't use that many and with the amount of time every single person today wastes on the internet re-checking their FB, they can look up a business - ESPECIALLY a big time business like CFA (which is OBVIOUSLY one that most people return to use over and over.)  :bolt:

It doesn't matter who they donated money to anyway. They're closed on Sunday's which would normally (to anyone with common sense) imply they have Christian roots and therefore; would more than likely not support gay marriage due to religious beliefs.

I don't have an ideology that would get me so upset that I would freak out and not go there anymore. Maybe that's being southern, but we don't get our panties in a wad over stupid $#!t.
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Re: Chick-fil-A for lunch today
« Reply #101 on: August 02, 2012, 12:19:28 PM »
The government isn't involved in a First Amendment way.  In any event, it's all political puffery and pandering, which is in fact protected speech even if despicable.

Not picking on you, DeadMan; your's was just a good jumping off point for my thoughts on this. First, it is indeed a first amendment issue, and Government doesn't need to be involved for someone's right to free speech to be infringed. However, in this case, government officials DID in fact become involved, issuing statements in their official capacity as mayors that this particular business (of a type otherwise allowed in many areas of their respective cities) was not welcomed, and only because of the belief expressed by the CEO of said company.  This is essentially applying a religeous test to the application of civil authority, which is so obviously a violation of the Constitution that both mayors have since backed off those statements.  A lot of the people who showed up yesterday to eat a CFA were people of like mind to Cathy, but many were just there to insure that people like Rahm Emanual understand that we still believe and support the constitution.  It is also perfectly in line with the 1st Amendment to refuse to eat at CFA because of Cathy's beliefs, and to state as much (so long as not acting in the capacity of a government official, where it might be construed as policy).

Regarding Cathy's statements, I'd like to point out a bit of hypocracy (well, perhaps more than just a "bit").  I recall hearing direct from President Obama's lips that he believed in the the traditional view of marriage as being between one man and one woman; this was only a year or two ago, as I recall, before his position "evolved".  I don't recall him being villified or told his "values aren't Chicago values", or otherwise told he wasn't welcome there or in Boston.  Yet, we have the brew-ha-ha now when a private citizen makes essentially the exact same statement. Consider, please.

For those who have expressed the belief that a town should be able to decide what businesses can open in their towns, it has already been pointed out that while a city government can decide what type of business can open in an area (often done through zoning laws), that decision must be applied universally to all businesses of that type. To put it in perspective, what if a town's mayor or city counsil said that a particular business owner's establishment was banned (or even just stated they'd be "unwelcomed") because the owner was gay?  I hope that I would be every bit as offended as what the mayors of Boston and Chicago attempted to do to CFA.  Would you?

Finally, to address the issue of what the bible says about morality and punishment, I would point out that something changed between the Old Testiment and the New Testiment; Jesus Christ.  Putting people to death for adultery, as an example, was called for in the Old Testiment. However, when Jesus had an adultering woman brought before Him, He bacially saved her.  This did not mean adultery was now okay.  No, what he said was that her sins were forgiven and to "go, and sin no more".  So, Cathy is not being inconsistent with the Bible simply because he is not insisting that horrible punishments be meeted out for things like adultery or fornication and such.  Christ did not change what was or was not sinful in God's eyes, only how we treat the sinners; with forgiveness when asked and with love, always.

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P.S. Went to CFA lastnight at 7:30PM and place was still slammed, but not a word of grumbling or incivilety.  Good chicken.
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Re: Chick-fil-A for lunch today
« Reply #102 on: August 02, 2012, 12:22:00 PM »
Yeah. Vanessa's throat has been sore since we went to visit her dad in the hospital so she made me get her a milkshake today and with CFA's being the cheapest around, we went there and it was STILL packed.  :O
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Re: Chick-fil-A for lunch today
« Reply #103 on: August 02, 2012, 12:41:09 PM »
I like my Chick-Fil-A with extra self righteousness and a slice of bigotry. I'd ask them to hold the pickle, but that just sounds gay.

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« Reply #104 on: August 02, 2012, 01:39:05 PM »
Could one day being called a bigot be a badge of honor for defending your beliefs?

The argument being made isn't whether or not we have the right to defend our individual beliefs, but whether or not the belief in question is socially acceptable. 
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