Chick-fil-A for lunch today

[RTHolmes]

Rather than redefine the legal institution of marriage, burn it. Burn it to the ground. No more legal marriage for anyone. Let the Government only recognize an agreement entered into by any two people for any reason. Let the concept of marriage only exist as a religious sacrament like baptism.

[SEraider]

Are they? How so?

Family unit?  Do we really need to explain this?

[Lusche]

Family unit?  Do we really need to explain this?

Yes, please.

[SEraider]

ever been to the movies lately?  have you seen young people going down on each other in a movie theater?  more than once i left with my kids when they were young so they wouldnt watch this type of bedroom scene.  dont give me that crap about what feels uncomfortable.  I have yet to see a gay couple go down on each other as much as i see straight people do.

semp

Really, you would actually take your children to a type of movie where that crap happens?  It must have not been a G movie semp if you took them there.  That's on you.  

Of course you have not seen gay couple go down on each other in the theaters.  Get realistic.  "As much as straight people do?"  Where are you from where this is happening "as much"? You're reaching man.

[SEraider]

Yes, please.

 

[Lusche]

No, I'm serous. Because I would not like to answer while just assuming what your point is. I do have a guess, but topics like this are usually loaded with a lot of assumptions, so I want to avoid that.

Just to be very clear, this was the original statement I was stumbling over: "Hetero and Homosexual relationships are two different types of relationships, meaning they can be recognized differently. "

[VonMessa]

I don't understand this explanation...

[SEraider]

But you can't equate kissing in public between hetero and homo equal. 

My actual quote....

Just to be very clear, this was the original statement I was stumbling over: "Hetero and Homosexual relationships are two different types of relationships, meaning they can be recognized differently. "

Someone elses?





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[Lusche]

I don't get it.

This is  the  argument so far:

Hetero and Homosexual relationships are two different types of relationships, meaning they can be recognized differently.

On which I asked:

Are they? How so?

You quoted this question of mine and said:

Family unit?  Do we really need to explain this?

My reply

Yes, please.

And this explanation I'm still waiting for. I just want  to have something to actually base my explanation on, rather than just assuming what someone might "really have meant". I'm not trying to win a match here.

[rogwar]

Come on folks this thread is SOOOO last week. It has jumped the shark.

[TonyJoey]

One type has the possibility of naturally having a kid, while the other doesn't. One type is made up of a member of each sex, while the other is composed of two members of the same sex. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with one particular side of the argument, just that there is a legal basis for the argument against giving the title of "marriage" to gay relationships, and that those that agree with that argument are not necessarily bigots on par with those in the south in the 50's and 60's, for example. Personally, I agree with the Ron Paul idea of getting government out of marriage all together.

[TonyJoey]

Vu- There is a distinction between individual rights, which all people have regardless of race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, etc., and rights granted to groups/relationships. Again, the best solution is to just get government out of the picture.

[SEraider]

Personally, I agree with the Ron Paul idea of getting government out of marriage all together.

It is the most sensible IMHO too.

[Lusche]

One type has the possibility of naturally having a kid, while the other doesn't.

Quite a lot of heterosexual relationships do not have the possibility (or the intention to do so). For example me and my wife. We are married for 10 years now, support & care for each other, share our lives in good as well in bad days (been quite a number of them)... and have we have no kids, nor are there any  being planned.
If my wife happened to by my husband instead, nothing would be different. That's why I where asking.

So if one wants to differentiate relationships and their legal standing only by the potential reproductive value, old hetero couples trying to 'legalize' their relation should also be treated differently from others. I'm not making a pro or con statement for the whole thing, but just trying to show that if one would deny certain kind of couples a specific legal status only on grounds of their (potential) reproductive value, it would have to be applied to all other couples too. So a different reason would be necessary.

[Jayhawk]

One type is made up of a member of each sex, while the other is composed of two members of the same sex.

Replace "sex" with "race" and I bet you would be horrified by this statement.