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[Wmaker]

I'd think it likely the F4F-3 and F4F-4 could be rolled into one AH model as a hangar armament option. The extra weight of the folding wings could be factored into the weight of the two extra guns. That and the FM-2 would be all that was needed really. Most Martlets were close enough to those three USN Wildcat variants that a different skin would do the job.

I agree unless four gun -4 is mean't to act as an FM-1.

Like it is said, F4F-3 was built in considerable smaller numbers than F4F-4 and phased out quite quickly in favor of the -4. In here it would be on interesting variant since the difference in weight between the -3 and the -4 is big.

[Karnak]

I agree unless four gun -4 is mean't to act as an FM-1.

Like it is said, F4F-3 was built in considerable smaller numbers than F4F-4 and phased out quite quickly in favor of the -4. In here it would be on interesting variant since the difference in weight between the -3 and the -4 is big.

The problem I have with the F4F-3 is that it would be used in settings to gain non-historical advantages against the Japanese with none of the negatives.  Frequently I would expect the A6M2 player to be facing a mix of F4F-3s and F4F-4s, probably having the rarer but more agile F4F-3 making the bulk of any Wildcat force.

[Chilli]

The problem I have with the F4F-3 is that it would be used in settings to gain non-historical advantages against the Japanese with none of the negatives.  Frequently I would expect the A6M2 player to be facing a mix of F4F-3s and F4F-4s, probably having the rarer but more agile F4F-3 making the bulk of any Wildcat force.

Correct me if I am wrong, I am basing this from my understanding that I am gathering through this thread alone.  F4F-4 would have 6 guns and folding wings.  The Martlet would have 4 guns, rocket rails and non-folding wings.  If the rocket rail package was only available in the hangar (in game) when 4 gun option is selected, AND only then would the weight reduction in the model be given to correspond to the fixed wing, wouldn't this negate most of the non-historical performance gain?

I recently flew a squad mission with the rockets selected by accident and was left in the dust! 

  //////////////////////////////////  "wai' fo' mEEEeeee"

[Karnak]

Correct me if I am wrong, I am basing this from my understanding that I gathering through this thread alone.  F4F-4 would have 6 guns and folding wings.  The Martlet would have 4 guns, rocket rails and non-folding wings.  If the rocket rail package was only available in the hangar (in game) when 4 gun option is selected, AND only then would the weight reduction in the model be given to correspond to the fixed wing, wouldn't this negate most of the non-historical performance gain?

I recently flew a squad mission with the rockets selected by accident and was left in the dust! 

  //////////////////////////////////  "wai' fo' mEEEeeee"

The F4F-3 doesn't have rocket rails and isn't a Martlet Mk V.  The Martlet Mk V is the FM-1 Wildcat, which is just an F4F-4 with rocket capability.

At least that is what is said in this thread.

[Wmaker]

The problem I have with the F4F-3 is that it would be used in settings to gain non-historical advantages against the Japanese with none of the negatives.  

Sure, at least people would request it but it would be the CMs/AvA-staff job to make sure it wouldn't happen. I know there has been requests for F4F-3 so that a Wildcat would compete with the Zeke better and those asking have conviniently forgotten the facts that it was relatively rare and phased out quickly. I was talking about MA-use.

[Karnak]

Sure, at least people would request it but it would be the CMs/AvA-staff job to make sure it wouldn't happen. I know there has been requests for F4F-3 so that a Wildcat would compete with the Zeke better and those asking have conviniently forgotten the facts that it was relatively rare and phased out quickly. I was talking about MA-use.

Based on the misuse of the B239 in Pacific and CBI settings I have zero faith that the CMs or AvA staff would do their jobs.

[surfinn]

More info about F4Fs and Martlets

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=89

[Tracerfi]

Based on the misuse of the B239 in Pacific and CBI settings I have zero faith that the CMs or AvA staff would do their jobs.

the F2A Buffalo  did see some carrier service

[The Fugitive]

the F2A Buffalo  did see some carrier service

open mouth, insert foot........ again 

[Karnak]

the F2A Buffalo  did see some carrier service

It did not.

The F2A-3, which is a far, far different beast than the B239, saw combat, its only combat in US hands, flying from the Midway islands.  The subbing of the B239 for the F2A-3 or B339E is inappropriate and yet is done consistently.

[Tracerfi]

The Brewster F2A Buffalo was an American fighter aircraft which saw limited service early in World War II. It was one of the first U.S. World War II monoplanes with an arrestor hook and other modifications for aircraft carriers.
Top speed: 321 mph (517 km/h)
Length: 26' 4" (8.03 m)
First flight: December 2, 1937
Last flight: 1948
Introduced: April 1939
Manufacturer: Brewster Aeronautical Corporation

I found facts

[The Fugitive]

We don't have a Buffalo F2A, which was a pig. We have the Brewster B239 which was a striped down and modified version that was a completely different plane and flew much better. It's like comparing an F4F-4 with an F4U-4.

[Chilli]

The F4F-3 doesn't have rocket rails and isn't a Martlet Mk V.  The Martlet Mk V is the FM-1 Wildcat, which is just an F4F-4 with rocket capability.

At least that is what is said in this thread.

Thank you Karnak.  I stand corrected and now accordingly ask that if rocket rails were only available in the hangar for the F4F-4 if the 6 gun package was selected, wouldn't a weight adjustment for the lighter fixed wing provide the desired performance levels?

[Karnak]

The Brewster F2A Buffalo was an American fighter aircraft which saw limited service early in World War II. It was one of the first U.S. World War II monoplanes with an arrestor hook and other modifications for aircraft carriers.
Top speed: 321 mph (517 km/h)
Length: 26' 4" (8.03 m)
First flight: December 2, 1937
Last flight: 1948
Introduced: April 1939
Manufacturer: Brewster Aeronautical Corporation

I found facts

Dig deeper.

[surfinn]

Karnack the F4f-4 and FM1 were essentially the same with one big difference, the horse power. I think the F4F-3 fixed wing would be a great addition to the game.
The article I posted in post number 36 gives a lot of info about the wildcats.

I think its also note worthy that the F3F was the first US built ac to claim a air to air victory in WW 2, over Scapa Flow in 1940 as a Martlet MK 1. It shot a ju88 down.