Attack mode only for A-20 and hurri2d please

[Citabria]

with the growing genre of attack mode only aircraft seeming to encompass ground attack aircraft that are used primarily to bomb and attack vehicles...

two excellent airplanes to be transferred to this category are the hurri2d and the a20G.

the hurri2d is a dedicated vehicle killer. fighter mode for it is silly.

the A20g (A stands for attack) is becoming the new dweeb ride like the il2 used to be. by transferring it to attack mode only it will lose its external view but still retain all its amazing bomb load and maneuverability qualities. given that the a20 is the go to plane with its 8 bombs for gv killing that is facilitated by its extreme fighter like maneuverability attack mode only would be a good fit.

[Volron]

No, no, no!  Think of all the whines that will be had here on the forums if you remove F3 from the A-20G!

 

Silliness aside, it makes sense that the A-20 and the Hurri 2D should only be in the Attack category.  Losing F3 for the A-20G will only rob me of my ability to check out damage I sustained when RTBing.  In other words, I don't care if it loses F3.

[VonMessa]

Remove F3 mode for all planes.

[LCADolby]

Agreed, Hurri is no fighter and F3 for A20 is daft.

[VonMessa]

I really do not see how much it helps in bombers, either.  Especially the American heavies.  They seem to have fairly decent overlapping fields of view from the gunner's positions.  I understand that this requires changing one's view from gun to gun, but it is not like it is the end of the world.

[Karnak]

I really do not see how much it helps in bombers, either.  Especially the American heavies.  They seem to have fairly decent overlapping fields of view from the gunner's positions.  I understand that this requires changing one's view from gun to gun, but it is not like it is the end of the world.

It spares you the need to jump from position to position, taking time to scan at each, in order to get a all round view as in reality the scanning would be done simultaneously. Bob didn't wait for George to finish looking around in the top turret before looking around with the ball turret.

[Megalodon]

Remove F3 mode for all planes.

^^^^^^^ This and fix the DA while you at it.

[Slade]

+1

[Volron]

Remove F3 mode for all planes.

It spares you the need to jump from position to position, taking time to scan at each, in order to get a all round view as in reality the scanning would be done simultaneously. Bob didn't wait for George to finish looking around in the top turret before looking around with the ball turret.

Karnak is right.  F3 for bombers should remain, unless they bring in the "Death Star" option.  If "Death Star" comes in, then you can remove F3 from bombers too. 

[VonMessa]

Karnak is right.  F3 for bombers should remain, unless they bring in the "Death Star" option.  If "Death Star" comes in, then you can remove F3 from bombers too. 

What is your definition of "Death Star Option"?

Mine is "Being able to fire all guns, within the field of fire, simultaneously"

[Volron]

Similar to what was in Air Warrior.  If I recall correctly (based off of what I have been told and read. Never had a chance to play AW ), you could crew your bomber (B-17's in particular) with a bunch of people, thus creating what I've heard it referred to as "a Death Star".

F3 in bombers covers what your gunners can "see".  As Karnak pointed out, Bob did not wait for George to finish scanning in his Top Turret before Bob would scan in his Ball Turret.  Maybe if they implemented a, for lack of a better term, "tunnel vision" type effect when you would scan?  I'll use the D3A as an example.  As we know it has F3, which doesn't make a lot of sense as you can see everywhere despite only 2 people on board.  Now implement "tunnel vision"; You can still use F3, but if you look anywhere where the gunner couldn't see, it would go black or black out area's the gunner can't see.  In other words, you jump into the gun and try to look at low 12, it would be all black since the pilot/gunner wouldn't be able to see that area.  Now this doesn't mean that single pilot planes get F3.  They still stay with out it, but planes with more than one crew member could have this "tunnel vision" type of thing implemented onto them.  I think this could prove useful, take away some of the gamey-ness but wouldn't rob people from the eyes of their gunners.  They overall keep F3.

[VonMessa]

Similar to what was in Air Warrior.  If I recall correctly (based off of what I have been told and read. Never had a chance to play AW ), you could crew your bomber (B-17's in particular) with a bunch of people, thus creating what I've heard it referred to as "a Death Star".

F3 in bombers covers what your gunners can "see".  As Karnak pointed out, Bob did not wait for George to finish scanning in his Top Turret before Bob would scan in his Ball Turret.  Maybe if they implemented a, for lack of a better term, "tunnel vision" type effect when you would scan?  I'll use the D3A as an example.  As we know it has F3, which doesn't make a lot of sense as you can see everywhere despite only 2 people on board.  Now implement "tunnel vision"; You can still use F3, but if you look anywhere where the gunner couldn't see, it would go black or black out area's the gunner can't see.  In other words, you jump into the gun and try to look at low 12, it would be all black since the pilot/gunner wouldn't be able to see that area.  Now this doesn't mean that single pilot planes get F3.  They still stay with out it, but planes with more than one crew member could have this "tunnel vision" type of thing implemented onto them.  I think this could prove useful, take away some of the gamey-ness but wouldn't rob people from the eyes of their gunners.  They overall keep F3.

As it works now, all guns on bombers will fire at a target as long as the target is within that particular gun's field of fire.  They can all be slaved to one button.

That gets quite "death Star"-esque on the American heavy bombers if you ask me, considering an average of three guns per plane in a three-plane formation, for a total of nine guns that can all fire at the target at the same time with the press of a single button. 

That's a lot of lead flying 

[Lusche]

As it works now, all guns on bombers will fire at a target as long as the target is within that particular gun's field of fire. 

Not really. They all fire towards the target, but as their fire converges at D500, they most of the time don't really fire at the target. Firing at D800, most guns of a bomber formation are wasting their ammo if the lead bomber's guns do hit their mark.

In a death star configuration however, it's really all guns with a proper field of fire that could in theory hit the enemy at the same time

[VonMessa]

Not really. They all fire towards the target, but as their fire converges at D500, they most of the time don't really fire at the target. Firing at D800, most guns of a bomber formation are wasting their ammo if the lead bomber's guns do hit their mark.

In a death star configuration however, it's really all guns with a proper field of fire that could in theory hit the enemy at the same time

I admit, it was a very generalizing statement.

On the other hand, when is the last time you held still when near a bomber at that range?   

That being said, I would wager that evasive maneuvers may perhaps put one in a worse situation than staying still as it would put one into a better position to take fire from all of the guns firing, akin to a shotgun blast.   

[Ack-Ack]

Remove F3 mode for all planes.

Even for fighters sitting on the runway?

ack-ack