Attack mode only for A-20 and hurri2d please

[VonMessa]

Even for fighters sitting on the runway?

ack-ack

Just yours 

[Volron]

Just yours 

[danny76]

Even for fighters sitting on the runway?

ack-ack

Yes, why not?

[Ack-Ack]

Yes, why not?

why?

ack-ack

[RTHolmes]

Yes, why not?

I like counting the holes in my plane if I land. and checking out my mossie, damaged or not. just because its sexy

until we have opening canopies and a lean out the cockpit view we need it for taxiing too.

[VonMessa]

I like counting the holes in my plane if I land. and checking out my mossie, damaged or not. just because its sexy

until we have opening canopies and a lean out the cockpit view we need it for taxiing too.

Are you kidding?  Do you realize how bad that would mess up my hairdo?

[Eric19]

I like F3 mode for big Heavy bombers like the Lanc B17 and B29 but if we had to remove F3 I'd say don't let the medium bombers have F3 like the B25C or B26

[bozon]

Leave F3 on bombers. When I take out a MossieXVI, during the flight to the target I watch it in F3 view and j*** off.

That being said, I cannot see why A20 is different from the 410 or MossieVI. Even its designation letter indicates it is not a bomber. In my book, no level bomb sight = not a bomber.

As for the Hurri2D, I dont see what difference will it make if it loses the "figher" score option.

[Easyscor]

It's bizarre to read that the F3 view is an unfair advantage in a plane that easily sheds control surfaces and more vital parts if stressed, and has absolutely no rear view from the cockpit. 

Without the outside view, there would be NO fight with an A-20 because the pilot won't see you coming, you might as well go shoot offline drones.

Comparisons to the 110s, Mossie, and even the 410 actually make the case to leave the F3 mode in place. Compare the rear view in any of those rides to the rear view in the A20 (or the Il-2 for that matter) and it should be easy to see why the original decision was made to allow an F3 view.

Add to that, in the A-20s cockpit, when I use a combination of the views UP+FORWARD, UP+FORWARD/LEFT or UP+FORWARD/RIGHT, the bandit's plane is still there, but the Icon disappears. (I think it's a sorting bug.)

I don't understand why people think any plane with outside views available, are only flown using the outside view. In practice, it's the only way to track the bandit in your rear hemisphere; the same ability available in any P-51 or Spitfire without F3.

[Noir]

Easyscor, I don't think the rear view possibilities come into account if you consider the F6F and IL2's case.

+1 to remove F3 on the A20

[Delirium]

What is the problem with F3 mode? These aircraft had more than just one pair of eyes on them. Why not just disable any guns while in F3 view mode?

What is next? Not allowing A20s to pull more than 2 Gs?

[GuyNoir]

I still think we need AI gunners...  I mena, why not?  We have AI puffy ack, AI base ack, AI anti-tank guns, AI train ack, and every other kind of ack. 

I think it's less realistic to force the pilot to set his plane to autopilot and crawl back into the tail to man the guns and to look behind the plane...  especially for an over-armored plane like the IL-2.

Just make it reasonably inaccurate and maybe don't give the pilot a kill tally when the AI gunners shoot someone down... only give them the kill when they're manning the guns themselves.

That way, the pilot can focus on being a bomber pilot instead of being in too many places at once.

[captain1ma]

its a bus with wings! leave f3 for A20.

[icepac]

It's funny how everybody supporting F3 mode doesn't say a thing about F3 being the mode they use to bomb GV and instead deflect the conversation to using it for air to air gunnery.

Sure, it might give you a better chance at deflection shooting but it's real advantage is being able to see ground vehicles in a way that was never possible in real life.

If you want to see ground vehicles in bombers, bank and look out the windows as they did in the real war.

The clowns who are pulling wings off the A20 and other buffs while maneuvering close to the ground are doing so because they are not in the cockpit and cannot see the gauges that would tell them the G loading.

[Easyscor]

It's funny how everybody supporting F3 mode doesn't say a thing about F3 being the mode they use to bomb GV and instead deflect the conversation to using it for air to air gunnery.

Sure, it might give you a better chance at deflection shooting but it's real advantage is being able to see ground vehicles in a way that was never possible in real life.

If you want to see ground vehicles in bombers, bank and look out the windows as they did in the real war.

The clowns who are pulling wings off the A20 and other buffs while maneuvering close to the ground are doing so because they are not in the cockpit and cannot see the gauges that would tell them the G loading.

The F6F is hands down a far superior GV killer then an A-20.

I predict that if you take away F3 in the A-20, the GV drivers will be dealing with dweeb Lanc's instead, so be careful what you wish for.