Spitfire XIV stability questions

[RTHolmes]

what the F does the 152 have to do with the XIV's stability and how its modelled in AH?



dont worry I'll answer for you. NOTHING AT ALL.

[Tracerfi]

what the F does the 152 have to do with the XIV's stability and how its modelled in AH?



dont worry I'll answer for you. NOTHING AT ALL.

[RTHolmes]

valuable contribution, thanks

[Debrody]

First of all, what the hell are you doing at 30K? Last time i was up there was in an FSO, and the 152 worked excellent for me, i can tell you.
Then, well if you think the 152 is steady and handles well at low alts, youre either a masochist or know nothing about other aircrafts.
Finally, the spit14 handles very "stiff" at low altitudes, compared to other aircrafts. Its due its light airframe - very powerful engine - relatively high aspect ratio combination.

True, i have never been above 15k in a spit14.
Btw Hlbly's report is more than interesting. Physically thinking, those results would be next to inpossible (vs the spit9), but i can never know...

[ALFAMEGA51]

 

[Chalenge]

Spitfire Mk XIV doesnt even come into its own until its above 23k. From 23k until about 32k its pretty much on its own terms. Despite all the derision you get from the know-it-all furball moonbats you do get actions above 32k. It wasnt too long ago a wings-of-teens dweeb got his 17s shot down at 37k. Really thats 152 territory and the Spit XIV handles more like a competition sailplane than a fighter when its that high. The power is really marginal.

If you like killing B29s at high altitude the Spit 14 is not the best plane for it. Killing fighters is another story. In its own realm there is no way on earth a Spit VIII is going to turn with it for very long.

[RTHolmes]

and thats relevant how?

[Karnak]

Spitfire Mk XIV doesnt even come into its own until its above 23k. From 23k until about 32k its pretty much on its own terms. Despite all the derision you get from the know-it-all furball moonbats you do get actions above 32k. It wasnt too long ago a wings-of-teens dweeb got his 17s shot down at 37k. Really thats 152 territory and the Spit XIV handles more like a competition sailplane than a fighter when its that high. The power is really marginal.

If you like killing B29s at high altitude the Spit 14 is not the best plane for it. Killing fighters is another story. In its own realm there is no way on earth a Spit VIII is going to turn with it for very long.

I did manage to intercept some B-29s at about 35,000ft in the Spitfire Mk XIV the other night, but I was unable to set up anything that wouldn't have been a suicide attack so all I got to do was wave at them, and get lightly pinged when I got a bit close while trying to set up an attack.

[icepac]

I mentioned the TA152 because it also supposed to be a champion at high altitudes much like the spit XIV yet neither handle as well as a yak9 over 30,000 feet.

Sure, they are faster but it's strange that a yak9 is more stable a gun platform at 30,000 feet than two planes that were specifically built for high altitude interception.

I had no trouble lining up b29s at 36,000 feet in the yak but it was unbelievably difficult in both the ta152 and the spit XIV.

I flew the spit VIII at 38,000 feet to bait 163s and checked how it handled at 30,000 feet to find it felt better than a ta152 at 30,000 feet.

I feel the reason for the chiding is the fact that many won't fly as high as I do much like they will never get within 90mph of the speeds I drive cars.

They just don't do it and I do.

[Chalenge]

I disagree icepac. I think the Yak suffers at high alt and the Spit XIV and Ta152 come into their own. If you really want a killer at that alt the November and Mike models are very strong contenders.

This B-29 came across at 29,700. My friends and I went after him without realizing what precisely it was we would be chasing. Had we known we might have launched from other fields. B-29s at altitude can be very difficult to catch. You can forget using a Yak.

http://youtu.be/vYhlUsMXdn4

[hlbly]

Karnak do you know why these type of reports tend to be over discredited here ?

[Karnak]

Karnak do you know why these type of reports tend to be over discredited here ?

That report seems to be of a very general type explaining basically what the pilot ought to expect without giving exact numbers.  Geeks like exact numbers.  Exact numbers allow for easy calculations.  "Turns better than a Tempest" doesn't allow for much as it doesn't really tell us how much better, just that it is better.

[icepac]

I disagree icepac. I think the Yak suffers at high alt and the Spit XIV and Ta152 come into their own. If you really want a killer at that alt the November and Mike models are very strong contenders.

This B-29 came across at 29,700. My friends and I went after him without realizing what precisely it was we would be chasing. Had we known we might have launched from other fields. B-29s at altitude can be very difficult to catch. You can forget using a Yak.

http://youtu.be/vYhlUsMXdn4

I was able to make multiple passes at 34,000 feet in a yak.

[RTHolmes]

I wouldnt say they are discredited at all, they are just treated for what they are - qualitative reports. the best you can do is judge if they tally with your own experience of the aircraft in AH.

[bustr]

The conclusions from this article were more than enough for real people fighting in a real war without the luxury of unlimited lives, begining to end films of every sortie, and a dueling instructor to fly a few rounds with after every mission to figure out what went wrong.

By the time you acheived combat pilot status in WW2 there was some expectation that you were able to read these reports and make use of the information and test pilot conclusions. Kind of like reading the manual for a new plane befor you take the check ride.

I knew a real life pilot who didn't for a new plane he purchased becasue he felt he had enough hours to hop in any single engined plane and go. He had money, a stable of cars, and aircraft restoration projects. He made a hole in a Kansas corn feild becasue he didn't read the updated circular for his new purchase about a control tube iceing problem above 7k. The summer befor that he gave me a ride in one of his T-28s. We chased holstiens around in a feild and a school bus by accident pulling up too low at the edge of the pasture near Harrisburg Pa.

I enjoy Hitech's trees in this game becasue they always give me flash backs to that moment when we pulled too much E near the ground chasing those cows and only just cleared the trees leveling out on that school bus's 6 before passing over it while slowly climbing away.