Gun control laws do they work ?

[coombz]

Yes zack the Americans went into Vietnam to free the suffering people from the evil clutches of Communism!  

However some of the Vietnamese people ungratefully decided they would rather be alive than 'free'.

I for one am grateful to the American military for forging the wonderful world we have today where terrorists have killed civilians in the US and the UK in retaliation for America's brilliant foreign policy in the Middle East

Iran will be next as Uncle Sam continues the trend of bending over for Israel  

[RTHolmes]

oooo cool I'm getting a merc!  

[zack1234]

 

Appeasment did not work in the 1930's and does not work today.

Guns in America have nothing to do with defending liberty.

Liberty is defended by the Democratic process.

[sunfan1121]

Seems like the answer is to teach people from a early age to be responsible gun owners and arm everyone. The fundamental problem with guns is that they can be used to instill fear in people, if you take that power away you can fix the problem. You're never going to take guns away from the American people, you couldn't do it if you passed every anti gun law you could imagine. Americans have just about as many guns in this country as we do people. America's gun culture makes us unique, trained gun owners have always been the fourth tier of government. People trying to destroy that will always have their motives questioned.

[coombz]

hehehe, we could go off topic some more if I poured scorn on the notion that America really has much of a 'Democratic process' in reality these days

but I won't

[kilo2]

hehehe, we could go off topic some more if I poured scorn on the notion that America really has much of a 'Democratic process' in reality these days

but I won't

No go ahead I would love to hear your informed opinion on the American democratic process. I am sure it will be filled with facts and be very well thought out.

[sunfan1121]

hehehe, we could go off topic some more if I poured scorn on the notion that America really has much of a 'Democratic process' in reality these days

but I won't

The difference is that the American people have means to change our corrupt government.

[coombz]

No go ahead I would love to hear your informed opinion on the American democratic process. I am sure it will be filled with facts and be very well thought out.

a 2 party system where both parties are identical except when it comes to media-friendly talking points like abortion/immigration/gun control

no matter who is elected the real people in power will continue doing their thing, the Commander in chief is just a figurehead for the proles to argue about, and to distract them from the real issues

as South Park eloquently put it, you have the choice between a giant do uche and a turd sandwich ;D
happy to help

The difference is that the American people have means to change our corrupt government.

that's as much an illusion as the idea that voting affects the control of your country 

[Tracerfi]

our government is corrupt i must agree people are getting killed by people who they know are unstable I say we rebel!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shuffler]

they kicked the crap out of the most powerful military in the world while wearing their shoes made out of old tyres

the US sent boys overseas to fight for a cause they didn't really understand or care about, while the Vietnamese were fighting to preserve their homeland, freedom and way of life, first against the French for years and years and then against the Americans...no wonder they were more motivated

this is way too off topic  

China had a huge say in what happened. Just like in Korea.

Our government drew a line not to be crossed. You can't win wars that way.

[kilo2]

a 2 party system where both parties are identical except when it comes to media-friendly talking points like abortion/immigration/gun control

no matter who is elected the real people in power will continue doing their thing, the Commander in chief is just a figurehead for the proles to argue about, and to distract them from the real issues

as South park eloquently put it, you have the choice between a giant do uche and a turd sandwich ;D

happy to help

Well backing up your opinion with a quote from south park is classic.  

Same as saying the parties are identical except for issues that are obviously important to people. They would not be "talking-points" if no one cared. The people in power were elected or appointed by people elected at some point.

The one thing that you said that had a modicum of truth was the president is more or less a figurehead. He does not have as much power as people think.

I am happy to help as well coombz I wouldn't want you walking around uninformed.

[sunfan1121]

a 2 party system where both parties are identical except when it comes to media-friendly talking points like abortion/immigration/gun control

no matter who is elected the real people in power will continue doing their thing, the Commander in chief is just a figurehead for the proles to argue about, and to distract them from the real issues

as South Park eloquently put it, you have the choice between a giant do uche and a turd sandwich ;D
happy to help

that's as much an illusion as the idea that voting affects the control of your country 

Honestley it's not going to be guns or bombs that change our government, it's going to be the Internet. Imagine wiki leaks X100. That's going to be the future, eventually the government will be 100% transparent if the like it or not.

[zack1234]

I am going to bed

Coombzy need to goto bed as well and get some sleep.

Gun Laws in America are nonsense and will change nothing.

Democracy is not perfect but its the best we have.

The Internet will change nothing, if it did it would be banned.

I rather listen to people talking gibberish about ALiens and tin foil hats than listen to people talking about the power of Technology.

They have Mobile phones in China and no toilet paper there you go, human nature out in the open.

[1sum41]

The second amendment is there in case the Government forgets about the first

[coombz]

Same as saying the parties are identical except for issues that are obviously important to people. They would not be "talking-points" if no one cared.

they might be important points, but they are just ways to divide people really

nothing ever actually changes

wasn't one of Obama's big things the claim that he was going to get rid of Gitmo? :]  did that ever happen?

these talking points are to get people all riled up and slagging off the other side, not actual questions of policy changes that are likely to happen

it's a smokescreen

suns makes a good point about Wikileaks, you only have to look at the effort they have gone to in order to discredit and silence Assange to realise that the one thing no govt wants is any kind of transparency or real public scrutiny