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« Reply #600 on: September 01, 2012, 08:27:28 PM »
Thanks for clearing that up. YES! but early in the war before they got so desperate. Also it was the generals who were quoted as not wanting to attack the mainland...& really the smart ones in charge is all that really matters.  :D as for the position of my head I was looking in there to pull yours out!   :ahand

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”


that quote is most likely bogus.  please post some reference to it as I cant seem to find anything.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/



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« Reply #601 on: September 02, 2012, 01:42:05 AM »
I thought you were against less government and not more.  but to be honest do you really want a new department of gun training with 1 million employees to provide free gun training to everybody? even to criminals?  wouldnt it be cheaper to just go to an nra approved class course?  and if you say it's because they cost money, well somebody it's gonna pay for the trainers anyway.

when I learned to drive, I didnt wait for a free government class to teach me how.  if you want to own a gun then it's your responsibility to learn to use it.

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Semp, I must say that you're typical arguments are invariably idiotic. I had a beer with dinner tonight, and I would not be surprised if that beer killed more functioning brain cells than you woke up with this morning....
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« Reply #602 on: September 02, 2012, 04:16:30 AM »
Semp, I must say that you're typical arguments are invariably idiotic. I had a beer with dinner tonight, and I would not be surprised if that beer killed more functioning brain cells than you woke up with this morning....

well see the way i see it, the typical guy when he's losing an argument will resort to personal insults  :neener:.  so I guess you are really going for the government having another million employees to teach people how to properly shoot.  is that really a good idea?

so please enlighten me on how the government can or should teach people to handle firearms without spending what little money there's left of my social security.  I figure if you gonna insult me at least let me know the details of your idea, who knows maybe one of my dead brain cells can come back to life.  unless of course your idea is too complex for this guy to understand, hey but who knows perhaps I can ask fugitive to draw some cartoons to make it easier on me  :salute.



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« Reply #603 on: September 02, 2012, 04:24:54 AM »
Its cultural you like having guns so you have them, this bill of rights to own a gun is nonsense.

There is no bills of rights to own big fat cars with 4x4 drive but you still have them because its exspected. (4X4 are for off road fact) (Guns are for shooting things and crimminals) not to uphold your rights its childish and immature to say that.

Just say I like guns

Like I have said on numerous occassions if I was a Yank I would lots of guns becaue I could, and a bit fat car.

You are not going to be "Minute Men" to defend yourselves from "THEM" who ever you are.

Can I come out of my bunker yet and have those stars gone yet? is the moon still there?

 
You obviously didn't read the thread . My fault probably my posts tend to be bloated . Here is a quote from my first post

 " I have only recently bought two personal weapons . The last time I owned a weapon was 30+ years before .  I used them for hunting . Something I lost my taste for a long time ago . To me they were dirty dangerous tools I no longer had a need for . What changed my mind was a gang that is very strong around here started in Oregon prisons . The European Kindred . They do love a good home invasion robbery . They prefer to hit meth dealers but do not limit themselves . The local police being unable to solve any of them . Here is a link to the latest ."

I don't like guns . Shida can confirm this . When he was here a few years ago . I did not own one . Was unsure even where to borrow one . The well regulated militia of that day was , every able bodied man of service age . They were also seen as a counter balance to a standing army . I am sorry Zach you could not be more wrong if you tried . Concerning why I own guns . The two I own were selected for knock down power at close range with limited penetration . I am not worried about any vague "THEM" . It is a very specific "THEM" . I won't go into how I have run afoul of these people , or why they would look at my home a nice little plum to be plucked . Local law enforcement is aware of  6 of the roughly 40 home invasions these guys have done in less than a year around here . In the 6 cases they are working . Total number of suspects is 0 . The only time I will worry about my government is if they try to completely strip me of any of the rights mentioned in the first 10 amendments . If that happens you are once again wrong . A minuteman is exactly what I will be . In the truest historic sense of the word .
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« Reply #604 on: September 02, 2012, 05:20:56 AM »
Childish? You're an idiot. You have an opinion which is based on 2nd hand information. We know what we believe because of our country's history. You Know what you Know about your country. We Know what we know about ours. If you think that government are respectful of their populace because they are just nice people...? Look at history. Gov'ts which are not forced to respect the rights of their populace, always abuse their rights. Japan's WWII generals knew better than to attack our mainland because every home had a gun... ours doen't push it to hard because we will remove them from power if they try!!!  :salute :old: Live Free or Die!  :ahand

Japan did not Attack the US mainland because people had personal firearms? :old:


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« Reply #605 on: September 02, 2012, 05:22:05 AM »
way ahead of you, its amateurish rhetoric.


edit: ok thats a little unfair, he didnt have the benefit of the last coupla hundred years of political philosophy to lean on, but it is mostly rhetoric. the few places where he attempts to make arguments have some interesting ideas but he would be ripped apart by a modern political philosophy undergraduate. even for his day its rather sloppy work.
Wow RT for a man whose intellect I respect this surprises me . Blackstone‘s treatise on 1689 English Declaration of Right . "the natural right of resistance" and self-preservation,‖ which was effectuated
by "the right of having and using arms for self-preservation and defence." Natural Law as a legal term is based on 12th century canon law

"Natural law is common to all nations because it exists everywhere through
natural instinct, not because of any enactment. It includes the union of
men and women, the succession and rearing of children, the identical
liberty of all in the acquisition of those things, which I omit, which are
taken from the earth or at sea, the return of a thing deposited or of money
entrusted, and the repelling of violence by force. This, and anything
similar, is never regarded as unjust but is held to be natural and
equitable" While not termed natural law . This right was recognized by the Romans as well . I can think of nothing more "Natural" then the right to self defense . Ever see a cornered bear or mountain lion ? The right to self defense they display comes from nature and nature alone .<over simplification I know it is not intended for you>  It is universally recognized . Even some of the less thoughtful people participating in this thread would expect nothing less . Every living thing tries to protect itself . Living organisms that can . Universally use violence to do so . Is that not nature at work ?
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« Reply #606 on: September 02, 2012, 05:33:33 AM »
when was the last Iraqi attack on NYC then?

i live in New Zealand, I can recognise sheep when I see them...keep bleating  :aok
Really is that the best you have ? Are you so naive as to think the majority of the people we fought in Iraq were Iraqi . You use the term strawman . What was the authority used to go into Iraq ? Do you have even a clue ? Think maybe it was authority derived from the UN ? Like perhaps the UN resolutions outlining Saddam's responsibilities for the cease fire  to be honored ? Did not those same resolutions give the authority to use military force if he did not ? Finally what was the position of the nations that were against going back into Iraq ? Was it not give the sanctions time ,they are working ? To preempt your next argument . Would there have still been sanctions in place if he complied ? What was the main concern of the UN ? What were the reasons for the sanctions ? Call me a sheep ? Where do you live in NZ ? Ever been off the concrete and asphalt ? I bet the only way you recognize sheep is when it is labeled and packaged in the supermarket . You sonny if you ever had an original thought in your head it died of loneliness . Before you go off the deep end remember who opened the door to insults . Oh btw can you answer any of those or are you going to spout some more drivel ?
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« Reply #607 on: September 02, 2012, 05:53:33 AM »
Japan did not attack the US mainland because people had personal firearms?  :) (Shameful)

Can I come out my bunker yet?

There is program coming out on soon about the Americans and doomsday. :old:

Survivalists I think they are called :old:



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« Reply #608 on: September 02, 2012, 05:57:32 AM »
Japan did not Attack the US mainland because people had personal firearms? :old:


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Minute man against crimminal?
I know the Japanese didn't attack because of armed citizens in the US . They did not have the means . I have to ask you Zach do you think that there is nothing to fear from democratically elected governments ? Is there nothing ever done by democratically elected governments you would not resist ?
         Indeed my friend I obtained them to be the 15 second man . 20 seconds is the amount of time I figure it will take them to get into my home . That is if they know what I have done to both doors . The windows are to high to be a point of entry for them <lazy and dumb> . I have my plan that calls for me to make it to my first position with a mossburg 12 ga. loaded with .000 buckshot in 15 <thanks to who ever it was that recommended it> . If necessary I will then move to the small hall in front of the bedrooms were I will use an Ithaca M1911A1 . Sounds overly dramatic I know . I won't even go into what I have done to implement exercises . Let's just say I have a friend that will wake me in a dramatic and loud fashion . I also have regained my proficiency with the 1911 .  To become proficient with the shotgun , I shoot clay pigeons 2-3 times a week and have practiced firing at silhouettes in the darkest conditions I can arrange . I found when firing in the dark , with a long arm . I tend to shoot high . Still not sure exactly what to do about that . WW you got any suggestions ?

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« Reply #609 on: September 02, 2012, 06:05:30 AM »
bears arent exercising their right to defend themselves, they are just defending themselves.
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« Reply #610 on: September 02, 2012, 06:06:33 AM »
bears arent exercising their right to defend themselves, they are just defending themselves.
Circular argument . As am I . Too late you are quoted .
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« Reply #611 on: September 02, 2012, 06:06:54 AM »
nope
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« Reply #613 on: September 02, 2012, 06:17:51 AM »
lets say for a minute that there is such a thing as natural rights, and self-defence is one of them. a convicted murderer is sentenced to be beheaded with an axe. presumably we should unshackle him and give him an axe so he can defend himself against the executioner?
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« Reply #614 on: September 02, 2012, 06:26:33 AM »
lets say for a minute that there is such a thing as natural rights, and self-defence is one of them. a convicted murderer is sentenced to be beheaded with an axe. presumably we should unshackle him and give him an axe so he can defend himself against the executioner?
Natural rights are a legally recognized  concept for centuries . Like all rights none are absolute . The convicted murderer has surrendered his rights . When he he took his victims right to life . I have the right to freedom of speech it does not mean I can say anything I want without consequence . I can't tell the police I am the victim of a crime falsely .