B-25J Mitchell

[Krusty]

I just want the defensive armaments the H has, C is pretty undefended where J is simply a beast.

Lets see who tries to Ho down b-25Js.

Cs aren't nearly as defenseless as you might suggest. For whatever reasons HTC has modeled them as bullet sponges. I have experienced this as both attacker AND attacked. I've been in scenarios where entire flights of Fw190s ran out of ammo attacking B-25Cs and only getting 1 or 2 kills. I, personally, have withstood attacks from 3 Fw190D-9s in a single B-25C and survived to limp home 5 sectors on 1 engine. They broke off, having run out of ammo. The screenshots of the holes in my plane were epic.

I've also landed large numbers of 20mm hits (Fw190A8 with 4x20mm guns package) to no effect. Heck, I've hit B-25Cs with the spud gun on a P-39 point blank multiple times, and only oiled a single engine.

Because of their absurd resilience, they are quite defensible. On a single sortie I convinced 2 squadmates to up 25C formations with me. I nailed a single Me262 that attacked up, and one of my squaddies got another. On another sortie, he got TWO 262s in a single sortie that attacked him.

I do agree the defensive guns for the 25J would be idea for an MA level-bombing setting, but let's not go around saying the 25C is totally defenseless, shall we?

[Butcher]

I do agree the defensive guns for the 25J would be idea for an MA level-bombing setting, but let's not go around saying the 25C is totally defenseless, shall we?

Lets see - the B-25C With Bombsite has one fixed 50 in the nose, one movable 50 in the nose two in the dorsal turret.

Now What does the B-25J have for defensive armaments? two 50s in the tail, two in the waist position, plus 10 additional 50s in the Nose.

I see a vast upgrade from defenseless to actually defendable, I mean christ a single attack from the rear 6 and a C model is shot down, doesn't matter if its a bullet sponge.
You sure as hell arn't doing the same in a J model. Hell I actually fly the H model just for the defensive positions vs the C model, only thing that sucks is no formations - i'd rather give up the 75mm for those extra guns.

[Guppy35]

I just want the defensive armaments the H has, C is pretty undefended where J is simply a beast.

Lets see who tries to Ho down b-25Js.

Which again reveals that the wish is for strafer firepower in formations which wasn't there in the level bombers.  The C/D formation would be the same.

[Krusty]

Which again reveals that the wish is for strafer firepower in formations which wasn't there in the level bombers.  The C/D formation would be the same.

Guppy, that is my problem with the C model we have now. I want the "formations?" box to become unavailable as soon as you choose the solid nose. However, I wouldn't want to lose the multi-role capability as a whole. I would still love the option for the solid strafer nosed J. I just wouldn't want to see it in formations.

[Krusty]

I mean christ a single attack from the rear 6 and a C model is shot down, doesn't matter if its a bullet sponge.

This is where you are wrong. Because it DOES soak up bullets, targets must sit there firing into you repeatedly to do even the slightest damage. You have plenty of opportunity to return fire, even if they attack from BELOW your six. If you're even half awake you have a fighting chance.

The very fact it is a bullet sponge allows it to survive, and to shoot back. I am not saying it is as good as the J. I am saying you are flat out wrong that it is defenseless. Just because you can't seem to pay attention and shoot back when folks attack doesn't mean it's not possible.

[Butcher]

Guppy, that is my problem with the C model we have now. I want the "formations?" box to become unavailable as soon as you choose the solid nose. However, I wouldn't want to lose the multi-role capability as a whole. I would still love the option for the solid strafer nosed J. I just wouldn't want to see it in formations.

Why can't we have it locked - if you choose the solid nose you are stuck in attack mode and have no formations, in the Glass nose you are stuck in bomber mode with formations.
Depending on which nose you take, depends which version you get.

[1sum41]

B25 J






  +5000000000000

[Guppy35]

Why can't we have it locked - if you choose the solid nose you are stuck in attack mode and have no formations, in the Glass nose you are stuck in bomber mode with formations.
Depending on which nose you take, depends which version you get.

That would be the thing that made sense.  I understand the folks wanting the tail position but I think it's pushing it to have a guy be able to unload 3 plane loads of strafer 50s at a target in the air or on the ground

Not that I have any say in any of this

[cactuskooler]

That would be the thing that made sense.  I understand the folks wanting the tail position but I think it's pushing it to have a guy be able to unload 3 plane loads of strafer 50s at a target in the air or on the ground

From experience, I can attest that three plane loads of strafers in formation is no more lethal than a single plane against air targets.  They don't converge at any point and you have no method of aiming the drones' nose guns.  It's only more intimating (and hilariously fun).

No hope for the drones' gun of hitting. 


Your only chance would be to nestle up on another formation's six.  Even then not a single shot from the drones hit its target.  Maybe if I asked him to hold still and not shoot back while I align myself and test fire to see where the drones are pointing.



And I really don't see the issue of using a three strafer formation against ground targets.  Again they don't converge and you can't aim them.  The only target I can think of that could potentially be hit by all three planes simultaneously would be a large cluster of buildings in town.  Even then each plane would be hitting separate buildings, and any flight adjustments you make in your main plane would throw your drones off their target.  Frankly, I'd rather use my para-demos on the building clusters.

Most importantly, I want to replay this photo, and it's hard to find people who want to get killed by ack while playing PTO strafer with me, when they could just just level the town from 5k in Lancs.


So +1 for the 25J.  I'd even skin it.

[bangsbox]

The B-25J easily could replace the B-26,  It's basically a B-25H without the 75mm.  It also has a glass nose.

SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF ADDING THIS....

[1sum41]

SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF ADDING THIS....

Its a B25 variant that had defense and can bomb while using a sight.

[AceHavok]

SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF ADDING THIS....

Because it's amazing!

[1sum41]

Because it's amazing!

[Karnak]

Because it's amazing!

I am for adding it, but don't misrepresent it.

The B-26, not the B-25, had the lowest loss rate of American bombers in Europe.  The B-26 was superior.

[Soulyss]

Most importantly, I want to replay this photo, and it's hard to find people who want to get killed by ack while playing PTO strafer with me, when they could just just level the town from 5k in Lancs.
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So +1 for the 25J.  I'd even skin it.

Did someone say near suicidal B-25 mission?!?!?