A horde or just not discipline formation flying?

[Pongo1]

I haven't palyed that long, only a couple of months. I really enjoy the MA arena and doing missions on the Bish side. One thing I see a lot of on the BBS is various compliants about the way people play (hordes, HOing, Campers, BnZ, etc). Basiclly when someone is bested (shot down) by a style they don't subscribe too, they claim some sort of "style" that is inferior to the way they play.
So about the Bish Hording compliant... What if the 40 Lancs or various bombers that are hordes, flew in perfect formation? What if the 50 p-51's were organzied into tight 4 ship flights and operated as a cohesive unit? Would it be a horde then? probably not
The fact is that most people lack the ability to fly in tight formation and join a mission that is loosely put together. It is hard enough to get people to join mission, let alone have them fly in an authentic manner. So whay not look at the "hordes" as a valid style of people who want to work together and lack the ability to fly together perfectly?
If the hordes are so bad why not find a way to defeat them? If 5 good pilots can down the 50 in the horde; do it and enjoy all the perks. Stop complaining about they limited ability of new players that "horde".

[ImADot]

I think people confuse the term "horde" with the term "gaggle".   

[whiteman]

easier to complain about it than enjoy the abundance of targets.

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[blazer65]

easier to complain about it than enjoy the abundance of targets.

This is exactly what I was thinking last night, as a Knight, when all those P-51's came in (V78 I think?).  Easy access to lotsa Targets of Opportunity.  

[NatCigg]

One the knights side we have all but quit doing missions.  The only acceptable form of a group attack has evolved into masses of individuals, in there own preferred ride, waiting on a runway until the STRIKE TEAMtm leader announces its time to go.  Its really is sad to see the players game the game this way.  IMO, the legitimate horde is only found when planing, is mixed with a formal usage of the plane set, to some sort of a historical theme.

I dont see a problem with 40 lancasters with 20 spitfire escorts or 25 NOE 110s.  Thats part of the simulation.

 

[LilMak]

Missions wouldn't be such a bad thing if they fought one another. I watched last night as two missions flew within a half a sector of each other and didn't engage. They were both more concerned about bombing stuff that doesn't shoot back rather than killing each other.

The nature of MA maps favor offense rather than defense because of the short distance between the fields. It might take you 30 minutes or longer to put together a 50 man mission. Since the standard heavy 51 mission (lets say 30 strong) can get to a base and flatten it in ten minutes, the offense has a heavy advantage in numbers on target (lack of time to defend since players aren't waiting in the hangar to see where the mole pops up next) and then sustained cap since the base and town can be closed in a single pass with eggs to spare.

The SOLE purpose of this game is to engage other players in combat. Avoiding head on engagements so you can bomb inanimate objects with impunity and take away any chance the enemy has to defend whatsoever is not in line with the purpose stated above. But it's your fifteen bucks so do what you want.

Whether you fly a tight formation or not is completely irrelevant.

[Chalenge]

The SOLE purpose of this game is to engage other players in combat.

That is your mistake. You are ASSUMING that everyone is on the same mission you are. Obviously that is not the case.

Climb to 30k to intercept bombers and you will find out how hard they fight to avoid combat. Its not their mission plan.

[Copprhed]

The complaints about "hording" are only valid when there are so many on one team. I've gone in and seen it, twice the numbers on one team than there are on the other two combined. Not only is this unsporting, it's really counter the intent of the game. Everyone....can you spell G A M E ? SURE you can! I see it in the DA too frequently, too. Got kicked out of a squad because they were horders who didn't like one of their own shooting them down. I believe in fair play, keeping sides even and being honorable. That's what GAMES are about. This isn't real life, so don't spout " they did it in RL" to justify your lack of ability to perform ACMS and shoot someone in the face. Don't game the game to gain extra "perks", it's just plain dishonorable.
A big problem in this world is that too many people believe that the ends justifies the means. It's EXACTLY why we'll keep having to put up with stock crashes and banks failing, they "Game the Game" until everything goes to hell in a handbasket. Then when they are justifiably blamed they cry "it's not illegal". maybe not, but it's DAMNED sure immoral and unethical. Go ahead and flame me, that just proves all the more that I'm right.

[titanic3]

Knits has Jayro the Hordemaster
Bish has vChemistJokers
Rooks have Devil Dogs

Out of the three, the DD gets my vote for actually having missions and not hordes. Although I usually stay away from those missions anyways.  

[iKo]

The SOLE purpose of this game is to engage other players in combat.

The SOLE purpose of this game is to get out of it what you want for your 15 Bucks no matter what you do. When this stops or the fun stops is when you end your account and move on. It really is that simple. Been playing off and on now since 1996 and that's just the way it is.

[LilMak]

That is your mistake. You are ASSUMING that everyone is on the same mission you are. Obviously that is not the case.

Climb to 30k to intercept bombers and you will find out how hard they fight to avoid combat. Its not their mission plan.

You can bomb stuff offline for free if you want to avoid an engagement. I stand by my statement. Every single person who pays to play this game does so to have interaction with other players online. If this wasn't true, we'd all be playing MS flight sim by ourselves. If the sole object was to roll bases, we'd all be on the same team fighting AI.

[Shuffler]

That is your mistake. You are ASSUMING that everyone is on the same mission you are. Obviously that is not the case.

Climb to 30k to intercept bombers and you will find out how hard they fight to avoid combat. Its not their mission plan.

Yup there are several who get their thrills staying out of fights all together. They sit high between the enemy base and the fight and simply shoot heavily damaged planes trying to make it home. That among other things.

[LCADolby]

I dont see a problem with 40 lancasters with 20 spitfire escorts or 25 NOE 110s.  Thats part of the simulation.

If only, tht would look great

[coombz]

Missions wouldn't be such a bad thing if they fought one another. I watched last night as two missions flew within a half a sector of each other and didn't engage. They were both more concerned about bombing stuff that doesn't shoot back rather than killing each other.