please help with controls

[BERN1]

anyone have any good setting for microsoft flight sticks?
I have asked before got some help from a trainer he said i was fine..but here I am again
bouncy controls,i got into a spin at the drop of a hat or get out turned by everyone
I have tried a dozen different stick scaling combos a few different sticks and it just never works. I have tried it with scaling on and off large deadbans,small deadbans no dampining some dampining
seriosly at wits end here. a guy can only take so many bomber runs before they get old and the fun is gone.fighters are out of the question due to the stability issue.maybe some input from all the guys that have easily killed me lately??

[The Fugitive]

BERN, have you spent any time in the Training arena? Morphine is real good at watching what your doing and explaining what he thinks you might be doing wrong. I don't know how good he is with stick setup, but I know he can spot you over controlling your plane and such. It might not be your stick, but how your using it.

As you know there are a million ways to set your stick. When I came over from AWIII years ago we all flew relaxed realism. That means no matter how hard you yanked on the stick you could NOT black out or go into a spin. This means when I started flying here I was sooooo heavy on my stick I was blacked, stalling, spinning and every other thing you could think of except flying! I had to learn to fly all over. Back then I did add some damping to my stick because it took half a second for me to yell at myself "easy stupid!"  So the damping helped me not over control so quick. The point is I had to concentrate very hard on NOT holding the stick like I was hanging from it off a cliff and NOT to yank it like I was trying to start my lawn mower.

Smooth and easy is the ticket. The side benefit is that once you start getting the hang of it you also burn less "E" and that is ALWAYS a good thing in a fight. So maybe you should just set the stick at default (after all somebody set it as default for a reason so it can't be all that bad) and learn to go easy on the stick. Have one of the trainers watch you fly and they can give you some pointers. An hour with Morphine is better than 40 in the Mains for learning how to fly and fight. Give it a go, I don't think it could make you an worst right 

[SIK1]

Make sure it's not your stick. Bouncy controls sounds like stick spiking to me.

[shiv]

Make sure it's not your stick. Bouncy controls sounds like stick spiking to me.

Sounds like it for sure. Check it by doing: Options, Controls, Map Controllers, seelct stick,fly auto level and see if the values are flickering.

[BERN1]

thanks for the fast input
I have tried a powered USB with no luck I believe I am heavy handed.
lastnight a p-38 and I merged I was inna spit 16...I know I know a spit 16 
i started a turn and went into a spin Mercy was on me inna second and waisted me..he is very good, I know that
but these damn bouncy nose controls have always been a downer for me in here so now I fly mainly bombers and frankly hate it, but
I have a responsibility to my squad to stay and keep trying.last time I trained with FLS I think and I followed him around inna p-51
he said I was fine...bvut I dont think I am...lol...thanks for helping and thanks to the trolls for so far staying out of this post

[BERN1]

Fugitive sir...thanks for the return to default advice
did just that, didnt touch a thing and will learn to fly with them in that config
has seemed to help

[TequilaChaser]

BERN1,  that is twice now you have mentioned going into spins.....

I think you are also experiencing "cross control input".   You might want to apply a little bit of deadband
to your rudder axis.... To help avoid these

Hope this helps

TC

[BERN1]

everything helps m8
my set up
microsoft sidewinder
Ch pro pedals
nostromo speed pad

[Traveler]

I have been flying with a Microsoft stick for a very very long time,   The same stick, started in AWIII.  When I first got the stick, I pluged it in and used it as delivered out of the box.  It worked the first time, every time with no problems.  Over the years I've seen many posts about how to "fine tune" the stick.  My suggestion to you would be to reset it to default settings.  Fly it for a few months and then see about adjustments, if needed.

[fuzeman]

As mentioned you can change settings too much and too often or you end up chasing your comfort zone. Have to stick with it for awhile and settle in. If you need to adjust after that, remember where you started from and make small changes.
And IMO you like a plane fly it, no matter what anybody says. It's your money, spend it on what you want to and how you want to.

[BaldEagl]

I had the same experience as Fugi when I moved here from AW RR.  I had to learn to fly all over again and I still get heavy handed on occasion.

[bustr]

Bern might simply be too strong on his joystick when he gets combat involved for the weak springs in some joysticks while flying a fighter.

For him his joystick springs may be so puny it's almost like he has to hold center manualy. If thats the case, when he makes radical manuvering motions in a fighter, he has no sense of the time delay it takes for the wings or stabaliser to respond. He probably just wants the fighter to move where he has slammed the stick to as soon as it possibly can against springs that are no match for his motions. With weak springs scaling feels like molasis opposed to the default with all 9 sliders at 100%.

I solved that with my CH Fighterstick by opening the case and taking 1 inch wide peices of bicycal innertube and slid them down over the complete axis spring unit that controls each axis. This stiffened up the throw with real physical feedback that keeps me from over controling. Now becasue I am fighting the additional rubber bands added to each spring, I'm forced to take more time in each movement which has increased my ability to use finer control movements.

This tends to be in sync with the amount of time Hitech has programed into wings lifting and lowering, or the nose pulling up or pushing down. You will wind up stalled and in the dirt if you can slam the stick about too easily. You will scrub off your E never realising it, then wing stall or flip on your back low and slow.

Just a thought. If Bern can borrow a joystick with stronger springs, he can test this theory. From his own description he dosen't have this problem with bombers which he generaly won't be dogfighting in and mostly be thinking in slow controled inputs opposed to the much faster reactions required in fighters.