Unperk the Mosquito Mk. XVI

[Karnak]

Someone mentioned mossies at 25k over a field but they only penetrated a single sector and bugged right back out.

I hit Bish city last night.  Unfortunately I think I arrived shortly after a bomber raid and there was a Bf109K-4 up there even though I had avoided entering radar until the final run.  Still, almost made it out.  He, Pounder, ran out of fuel two or three minutes after he got me.  He said it was the longest chase he'd ever had.

Took him about five or six sectors to catch me.

[SmokinLoon]

I think the Mossi B Mk 16 is perked about perfect.  It if was not, we'd see them spammed against CV's, etc.

Their speed at 27,000 makes them almost impossible to intercept, especially if they are empty (408mph TAS).  Of the number of times I've taken them up I've been intercepted once.  In the same flight I had a P51 and a P38 who had superior alt on me (I was at 20k), and they were able to dive down and catch me.  A quick jink and 1 of them were able to get lucky and get 1 bomber, but on their egress they went down and away to my rear and they never caught up because I was able to drop ord on the target, grab alt to 27k, and RTB 7 sectors away.  The P51D may have eventually caught up, but I'm thinking the player didn't want to invest that much time.

Many times I've only seen a dot in the distance, it is no wonder that these were more efficient than the Lancasters in WWII.  They were able to get in higher, get in much faster, only drop 1/4th the ord, and get out much faster.  

I vote to leave them as in, thanks to the new strat settings they now have new life.  

[SmokinLoon]

Bring your mossies and I will intercept them.

I'm waiting.

... and the is the beauty of it: you have to BE there when they arrive (ultimately with superior alt), otherwise you have a very slim chance of chasing them down.  If there is an escort fighter (P47x), then a single pass intercept may happen but a legit pursuit isn't.   

Stop and think which fighters can pursue at 27,000 ft and catch them.  The list of fighters with that kind of speed and range is shorter than most think. 

[icepac]

PM me in the arena when you are over the strats with a mossie.

[bozon]

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In the same flight I had a P51 and a P38 who had superior alt on me (I was at 20k), and they were able to dive down and catch me.  A quick jink and 1 of them were able to get lucky and get 1 bomber, but on their egress they went down and away to my rear and they never caught up because I was able to drop ord on the target, grab alt to 27k, and RTB 7 sectors away.  The P51D may have eventually caught up, but I'm thinking the player didn't want to invest that much time.
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On the few flights I had with the Mossie XVI, I never took the drones. Then again, I also did not climb to 27 kft either. The XVI's first line of defense is speed. The second is manoeuvrability. If a fighter has some alt on me, enough to dive into firing position, I want to be able to evade - I cannot do so with the drones. If one leaves the drones at home, he has a bomber that can maneuver with anything that is able to catch it. It is easy enough to throw off a pass from a P51 and start the chase all over again. Especially at 20+kft every move drains a lot of E and the circles are much larger than down low (result of high true speed and low indicated speed), so it is much easier. Meanwhile, we are covering a lot of ground towards home.

[Nathan60]

I can't eat butterbeans

I beat Icepac can by simply eating at his beans best possible altitude or  simply climbing above the bean then diving in at a shallow angle

[Zoney]

Me too, except for last night, I was on my 4th rearm and damned Zoney rolled up in my gravy while I was getting some more Michael Collins (medicinal) - shanks a wing, just keeps on his merry little bastard way.

( Zoney)

Sitting here at work with this HUGE grin on my face now.  I have never been so happy to be called a little bastard.  80hd already knows, but for the rest of you all, right after this happened, 80hd and I had a great 5 minute conversation with PM's.

There is no game without the folks that play.  I have absolutely no interest in playing a computer game against a computer.

I was in a ME262 for that kill on 80hd, at 27k, doing my small part to protect the strats.  Hung out waiting for the next enemy which the dar showed inbound.  Here they come, B17's at 30k.
I got lucky and got all 3 of those too, and then out of ammo I turn for home.  I'm at 32k now in the Hoover and even though the B17's are dead, I still got a darbar in the sector and the strats are flashing.  Well, ammo or not I'm going to at least take a look at what it is.  I'm amazed when I see a lone spitfire, higher than me, in an excellent position to threaten me.  I turn back over the strats, the spitty goes from 1.5 out to 1.0 out but I'm slightly nose down down so I start to gain a bit and heave a sigh of relief.

Then on 200 I see, "Icepak": blah blah blah, call the 262 running names, blah blah blah......................  I laughed a bit to myself but declined to respond or even ID who I was.  I guess you were once again "Exploring the boundaries of the game" as you have so succintly put it in the past.  I did notice that you then punished the dar of the nearest v-base right after that and died not too long after that so it looks like you can call your mission "successful" from that.  You know, killin that v-base dar, away from any fight.  

Yup Icepak, I'm teasing you a bit here   but now in all seriousness, do you think that everyone else is wrong about how hard a well flown mossie is to intercept?  I think I'm a pretty good high altitude interceptor.  I just about live in that P47N.  She can do 440 mph at 34,000 feet.  Unless I do everything right, or the mossie pilot is doing things wron, intercepting one at alt, at speed is very very difficult at best.  I believe it was I that intercepted the Mossies that Hap spoke of just a bit ago in this thread.

   See you boys up there soon  




I love this game, thank you Hitech.  

Wait, this thread is about perk costs for the Mossie.  I personally would like to see them reduced, maybe by about half.  I say that because I think they are used less than they should be, but that is just my opinion and I'm not much of a buff pilot.

[Slade]

Flying an oak tree that turns like a Mack truck is not my idea of fun but I have noticed some guys are really good in those Mossies.   to all of them.  I have no prob unperking it.

+1

[Nathan60]

I was mistaken.....it was Biggamer who's m3 I got with the left over bomb after dropping HQ.

It was you who sent the nasty PM because you were nearby.

I challenged you early on today in the arena to up some mossies and prove your claim but saw no mossies all day.

Now its getting good. 

[Nathan60]

Bring on the mossies and I will intercept them.

If you see me in the arena and I am on a different country, send me the challenge.

You are issuing the challenge the onus is on YOU to keep track of WHO is on what country

[icepac]

That's cool....I will change countries once the challenge is issued.


As far as zoney's 262...........You were generating no dar bar and I only knew you were there after I heard you.

As you know, I was over enemy strats on a large map IN A SPITFIRE VIII.....which is difficult to fly to strats and return....but I had already done it a few times before.




I still had enough fuel for the return trip until chasing you through the comfort of your strats did this (pictured below).....on the very first puffy ack ping.......of 7 hits I received while twisting and turning through it.

Hitting something (the dar and an ack) was the obvious choice since a return trip was out of the question.




Your running away was no more heroic than your bailing after a con climbed up 30k to intercept you back in warbirds.

Gentelmen of Warbirds, I am having trouble remembering my account information so I have asked Broz, my CO to post this for me.

This morning, I feel stupid and embarrassed.
I was completely out of control while flying last night.
I offended everyone in the game. I offer my sincere apology to averyone, especially whiznr and the 352nd.
You did nothing that justifies my actions, I was completely wrong.
The JG27th squad has been embarrassed by my childish behavior, I apologize to them also.

I will no longer be monitoring 100, or hopping on even for a quick salute.

I have nothing to apologize in the way I fly. I fly a sim, I dont play a game. I try to make the same decisions that
I would if it were real. I will not just furball all day, its stupid. I do not disconnect from the game in flight.
Stop accusing me of it, everyone gets disconnected. I never bail. I never ditch in enemy territory. I fly to complete each mission, or die while trying.

Thank you,
Zoney

I still have multiple films of you doing what you claim you do not do and will gladly post them on youtube with a link here.

If you're going to talk smack, you had better check youself in the mirror first.

[Nathan60]

That's cool....I will change countries once the challenge is issued.


As far as zoney's 262...........You were generating no dar bar and I only knew you were there after I heard you.

As you know, I was over enemy strats on a large map IN A SPITFIRE.

After you dove to the comfort of your ack while I chased you, I no longer had the range to get home because I was IN A SPITFIRE a billion sectors from any friendly base.

sounds like a failure of SA all the way around. Jet snuck up on you(keep eyes outside the cockpit) over dangerous Flak(why would you go in there if not a buff) and let a jet  sucker you into a chase(no fuel left)

[Zoney]

That's cool....I will change countries once the challenge is issued.


As far as zoney's 262...........You were generating no dar bar and I only knew you were there after I heard you.

As you know, I was over enemy strats on a large map IN A SPITFIRE.

After you dove to the comfort of your ack while I chased you, I no longer had the range to get home because I was IN A SPITFIRE a billion sectors from any friendly base.

FYI that map, unless you have your clipboard blown up a bit, the strats actually cover where you would see the dar bar, thereby masking it.  I know I have been caught out by that myself a few times.  I was totally shocked to see that Spitfire there and I remember thinking, "well maybe he is here to help the guy in the B17's" but you and he were different countries coming from different directions.  You do some crazy stuff sometimes and not that my opinion means anything but I'm cool with that sir 

[Zoney]

Icepak, I guess I had a bit of lag because I did not see that last part of your post where you put the "Warbirds" quote in.

I know I was a jerk in Warbirds and have said so before.  When I came to Aces High, I changed everything except my name.  I am not a jerk anymore I believe.

I have apologized for my behavior.  I owned up to it and kept my name instead of hiding from my previous mistakes with a shade.  I have been not only civil to you sir, but frankly kind, I've
been as nice as as I can be to everyone here.

This is not the first time you have slapped me up the side of the head about the Warbirds stuff.  I get it, you don't like me.  I'm never going to be able to change your mind.

I give up, you win sir.  What would you have me do ?

[ALFAMEGA51]

+1 Nathan