US Ambassador to Libya and 3 US Marines Killed.

[coombz]

If anyone has looked at their history books, which I think for many younger American's (and young people in general) and many ignorant ones may ask "whats a history book?"... we kinda started it.

The crusades during the era's of Papal control, were unrestricted examples of total war on a faith... Christianity vs Islam.

They did not hate us nor discriminate against us.... yet we called them infidels and blasphemous barbarians and invaded their home, proceeding to rape, pillage and murder in the name of "god".

My best explanation that I can give is that they (Extreme Muslim Factions) come from a faith that has not evolved.

Islam is a very conservative archaic faith. Its extremist regulation and condemnation of heresy has prevented it from evolving through the centuries. While Islam preaches much good and in fact is almost no different from the Christian bible (in fact Islam is a variant of Christianity), it has not yet had the evolution stages that Western Christianity has gone through.

Right now Islam is going through its version of the "Inquisitional Era", where extreme fervor is taking root in government legislation. We have evolved into freedom of religion (yet many zealots still exist). We represent the largest example of "heresy" and while the standard day to day Muslim could not give two damns what we call God. The ever growing contingent of Muslim extremist nations will eventually pose a SIGNIFICANT problem. We already have considerable problems with Extremist terror organizations. This has already begun to turn into a religious war.

Religious ideology is something that cannot be proved or disproved. It is the single most evil force on planet earth. It controls the faith of human beings to a point where any differentiation from the ideology is considered incorrect or "wrong" and is destroyed.

Many Americans have the view that evolution is a lie, the human race is the only intelligent species in the universe and that we actually did come from two white human beings that lived in a magical garden. Many Muslims have the view that Allah is the creator of all things, that this "god" person is actually the devil, a false god trying to corrupt, and that infidels must be destroyed. Sharia law, etc.. etc.

^^^ These seem ridiculous to level headed human beings, but it shows the raw power that religious faith holds over people. Utilized by a government which BELIEVES its ideology, and given all the resources that a modern nation can possess, nuclear weapons, armies, political pull.....

And we have a very VERY serious problem.

very good post Pacman

i think it's important to remember that most of the people in these countries that we vilify don't have access to the same amounts of education, money, culture, technology and opportunities to travel and see other cultures that we enjoy

their ignorance has a kind of basis in their social and environmental situation...whereas many people in the West (pointing no fingers here, with the greatest of efforts ) have far more opportunities to better themselves, and have no excuse for their ignorance except for sheer pig headedness and good old fashioned xenophobia

[Masherbrum]

very good post Pacman

i think it's important to remember that most of the people in these countries that we vilify don't have access to the same amounts of education, money, culture, technology and opportunities to travel and see other cultures that we enjoy

their ignorance has a kind of basis in their social and environmental situation...whereas many people in the West (pointing no fingers here, with the greatest of efforts ) have far more opportunities to better themselves, and have no excuse for their ignorance except for sheer pig headedness and good old fashioned xenophobia

I don't vilify anyone, so unless you have a guilty conscience, speak for yourself.

[coombz]

l have a very guilty conscience from all the Muslim bashing i have partaken in

First world problems

By the way your comment doesn't really make sense (not that i would expect much else from you). I assume you meant speak for myself if i have a guilty conscience

[stealth]

I'm not sure if anybody has mentioned this yet but one of the 3 marines was a retired Navy Seal. http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/09/13/family-former-seal-among-dead-in-libya-attack.html?comp=1198882887570&rank=2

[MarineUS]

Apparently a consulate doesn't warrant the same security as an embassy....this will probably make you mad, it did me
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/12/No-Marines-Guarding-US-Consulate-In-Libya

[guncrasher]

surprise you bang your head. do you know the difference between a consulate and an embassy?



semp

[MarineUS]

surprise you bang your head. do you know the difference between a consulate and an embassy?



semp

I swear to f*cking God if you start with me on this thread where I lost three of my brother's in arms as well as a friend in WoT.....his name was "VileRat".

Apologies if this has been posted, but one of USA's diplomats, and avid gamer, and WOT player was killed in the Consulate attacks yesterday; I read over on MWO forums that many people knew him as a WOT player as well. (and EVE)

http://worldoftanks.com/community/accounts/1000039856-Vilerat/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/12/diplomat-killed-in-libya-to-fellow-gamers-assuming-dont-die-tonight/

One of the American diplomats killed Tuesday in a bloody attack on a Libyan Consulate told pals in an online gaming forum hours earlier that he'd seen suspicious people taking pictures outside his compound and wondered if he and his team might "die tonight."

You can piss off right now "Semp". Some "Marine" you are. You disgust me beyond words.

At this point you'd best hope I never come face to face with you. Not because you and I disagree on topics, but because you lack the mental capacity to understand when it's time for an argument and instead of mourning the loss of these people, you would rather fight. I want to vomit.

This is not the god d@mned time or place you ignorant pile of inbred horse manure. All you want to do is argue. That's what you're built for. You want to fight all the time? Move to the middle east.





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Second Edit: While I'm thinking about it; go over there to Libya right now. I want you to go over there, look at the bodies of what are SUPPOSED to be YOUR brothers as well and pick a fight with their corpse.

If you've got any uniforms from your past in your home, you'd best turn them over to someone who deserves the title.

[nrshida]

Religious ideology is something that cannot be proved or disproved. It is the single most evil force on planet earth. It controls the faith of human beings to a point where any differentiation from the ideology is considered incorrect or "wrong" and is destroyed.

I used to think this too a very very long time ago, but down through the years my view has changed slightly. I no longer see Religion as the 'cause' of these kind of problems. Of course differences breed conflict but mutual tolerance and understanding has been equally present as an example of society in your historical record, even amongst Muslims, Christian and Jews in the place and time you refer to. The problems arise when religion is used as a glue to bind a violent faction together and glaze them into a single purpose. This violent attack being a small-scale example of this, amplified by modern weapons and international media. It is the thought that it is justifiable to kill other people to achieve your goal that is the truly evil part. This is also wrong according to the Koran, as Zack can perhaps confirm.

And we have a very VERY serious problem.

Diversity is a very good thing for the human race. Don't only be consumed by the problems it causes. Mutual tolerance is far superior to oppression. As I believe you can choose to observe in these protests. 

[guncrasher]

I swear to f*cking God if you start with me on this thread where I lost three of my brother's in arms as well as a friend in WoT.....his name was "VileRat".

You can piss off right now "Semp". Some "Marine" you are. You disgust me beyond words.

At this point you'd best hope I never come face to face with you. Not because you and I disagree on topics, but because you lack the mental capacity to understand when it's time for an argument and instead of mourning the loss of these people, you would rather fight. I want to vomit.

This is not the god d@mned time or place you ignorant pile of inbred horse manure. All you want to do is argue. That's what you're built for. You want to fight all the time? Move to the middle east.





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Second Edit: While I'm thinking about it; go over there to Libya right now. I want you to go over there, look at the bodies of what are SUPPOSED to be YOUR brothers as well and pick a fight with their corpse.

If you've got any uniforms from your past in your home, you'd best turn them over to someone who deserves the title.

you never played with vilerat, you only heard his name on the wot bb and if it hadnt been posted there you wouldnt have known .  I only asked if you new the difference between a consulate and an embassy as you seem to question why the consulate is not as secured as an embassy.    you have some issues I suggest you go see a doctor to help with that.  and I dont need your approval as all you you are is a "show off" marine.  and those are the words of 2 marines that i showed your previous posting  and both of them served in vietnam, one was awarded the silver star just 3 years ago for what happened back then.

I never served in combat but I know a few that have.  and none of them throw that on everybody's face like you do.  you have anger issues  deal with them before they eat you up.  I know of a mother that lost her only son in Afghanistan and she was a good friend of mine and was there when her son was buried, and I work with others have fought and have gotten injured in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  and none of the them have the anger issues that you have.

you are the ignorant one as you think you are superior to others because you are still bitter over what you went thru and I hope you take care of that before it eats you up.  or you can be like my brother and drink himself to sleep so he cant feel anything or like my father who is still alive but his mind died a long time ago.  or be like my gf's father who just died last year without ever telling her that he loved her.  he beat my gf's mom and brother and her because he couldnt deal with what he saw.

and guess what, I have to deal with my gf drinking herself to death because of her father.  you want to be like them then it's your choice or have kids that are just like my gf then keep going on.

you are more than welcome to come here to my house and help me deal with the daughter of a marine that was just like you and help me try to save her life for things that werent her fault.  or perhaps you should answer my brother's calls when he asks me why he should be alive or my father trying to explain to me why he was the mean bastage that he is.

I served in the marines because I wanted to be just like my father and so did my brother.  I am glad I was never in combat as perhaps the reason I didnt was so I can be here for them.

as for what you think of me you can kiss my fricking azzzz.


semp

edit: dont bother to answer as you your sorry azzz is on my squelch list.

[Plawranc]

I actually agree with you Shida.

However my point perhaps is a bit difficult to explain.

I wholeheartedly one hundred percent SUPPORT. Religious faith.

My stand is against ORGANIZED religion. The idea that an authority or powerbase may exist in a movement based entirely on a faith. Religious faith is the single most powerful force on the planet, if it is controlled, like it is in the Catholic churches and Muslim faiths, it leaves people open to brainwashing, unwitting enslavement and more brutal and bloody confrontations than we could possibly handle.

[rpm]

The playing field has changed. With the internet any fool can launch the first propaganda salvo in a religious war whether he represents the government or not. He is not thinking of the broader repercussions. Americans have to realize the repercussions of their actions. Don't poke the bear with a stick. The results are more far reaching than partisan political contests. Foreign powers are not prepared or equipped to handle the flood of partisan political rhetoric that will be unleashed in the next 2 months.

Playing this recent raid and atrocities into an election issue is wrong.

[nrshida]

I actually agree with you Shida.

However my point perhaps is a bit difficult to explain.

I wholeheartedly one hundred percent SUPPORT. Religious faith.

My stand is against ORGANIZED religion. The idea that an authority or powerbase may exist in a movement based entirely on a faith. Religious faith is the single most powerful force on the planet, if it is controlled, like it is in the Catholic churches and Muslim faiths, it leaves people open to brainwashing, unwitting enslavement and more brutal and bloody confrontations than we could possibly handle.

Our views are in accord Pacman. Organisational structures are inherently receptive to this kind of perversion.

I am extremely optimistic about the future however.

 

[zack1234]

If anyone has looked at their history books, which I think for many younger American's (and young people in general) and many ignorant ones may ask "whats a history book?"... we kinda started it.

The crusades during the era's of Papal control, were unrestricted examples of total war on a faith... Christianity vs Islam.
 

And we have a very VERY serious problem.

I read the first three line and fell asleep
Try and keep it concise for the old folk

1. The powers that be want extremist elements in the region it keeps these countries at each other throats.
2. Its not religious mistrust by the US, investments in Turkey is in the Trillions.
3. Iran,Iraq,Syria,Egypt and Turkey are not Arabs (which is very very important in regards to US intervention)
4. Arabs were living in the desert in the 1920's and riding camels.
5 The Western Powers not the US created Jordan,Palestine and Saudi Arabia (They are Western concepts).
6.The exit of the European powers after the second world war was only that.(The oil was still western)
7.Not one oil field in the region has been attack by militants........not one.
8.If the West does not have control of the OIL Wetstern society will collapse.(It will collapse)
9 All the Technology for oil production is Western. (It is Western, the native technology is the water wheel)
10. The mistrust of the West in Middle east is irrelevant they produce nothing and are reliant for the West for everything        except sand.
11 All those contries not involved in the military actions in the Middle East are still gaining profit from it. (France,Germany etc)
12 Getting all angry serves no purpose, being Liberal about it is even worse.(Liberals have bigger cars and more money than me, usually gained from investments)

[MarineUS]

you never played with vilerat, you only heard his name on the wot bb and if it hadnt been posted there you wouldnt have known .  I only asked if you new the difference between a consulate and an embassy as you seem to question why the consulate is not as secured as an embassy.    you have some issues I suggest you go see a doctor to help with that.  and I dont need your approval as all you you are is a "show off" marine.  and those are the words of 2 marines that i showed your previous posting  and both of them served in vietnam, one was awarded the silver star just 3 years ago for what happened back then.

I never served in combat but I know a few that have.  and none of them throw that on everybody's face like you do.  you have anger issues  deal with them before they eat you up.  I know of a mother that lost her only son in Afghanistan and she was a good friend of mine and was there when her son was buried, and I work with others have fought and have gotten injured in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  and none of the them have the anger issues that you have.

you are the ignorant one as you think you are superior to others because you are still bitter over what you went thru and I hope you take care of that before it eats you up.  or you can be like my brother and drink himself to sleep so he cant feel anything or like my father who is still alive but his mind died a long time ago.  or be like my gf's father who just died last year without ever telling her that he loved her.  he beat my gf's mom and brother and her because he couldnt deal with what he saw.

and guess what, I have to deal with my gf drinking herself to death because of her father.  you want to be like them then it's your choice or have kids that are just like my gf then keep going on.

you are more than welcome to come here to my house and help me deal with the daughter of a marine that was just like you and help me try to save her life for things that werent her fault.  or perhaps you should answer my brother's calls when he asks me why he should be alive or my father trying to explain to me why he was the mean bastage that he is.

I served in the marines because I wanted to be just like my father and so did my brother.  I am glad I was never in combat as perhaps the reason I didnt was so I can be here for them.

as for what you think of me you can kiss my fricking azzzz.


semp

edit: dont bother to answer as you your sorry azzz is on my squelch list.

Semp, do me a favor. Could you die? Thank you.

I'm going to throw this on the table and this is the last you will hear of it from me.

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Exactly how do you know who I have and have not played with? He was a member of Stug Life, and though we were not clanned up; we did talk. We platooned when we both had an opportunity, he was a friend. Unless you live in the same house as me, you are doing nothing but puffing your chest. F-U-C-K you.

I did not know him in person but that does not disqualify him from being my friend.

I did not say anything about ME being deployed or seeing combat. Where in the flying hell did I say that in my post? I said you are disrespectful to what is supposed to be your bothers as well as mine.

Where did I say I was superior to anyone? Get off your box. All you're doing is trolling.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize having a gf with daddy issues gave you an excuse to be an a$shole. At least you can fix her drinking, would you like to deal with Vanessa's epilepsy? We ALL have personal problems. I don't have any children of my own yet, and I don't plan to for some time. Just because I'm still in doesn't mean I'm going to be a total POS. My next contract is up in three years anyway. Again; you know very little about me and ASSume an awful lot.

Serving in combat does not mean you will be mentally or physically messed up beyond repair. You just carry the weight of so many other warriors. If you think combat always equates to death, you shouldn't have even bothered to serve. It is a risk you take with the job. Just like when I was a firefighter before I joined. Both jobs dangerous, and both jobs rewarding and give you pride.

Just because you never saw combat doesn't mean you should neglect the sacrifice of your brothers....that's a twisted logic.

Do you attend any AH get togethers? I'd love to see you in person for about four seconds.

I wish you the very worst. You are a disgrace.

[GScholz]

Have you guys heard of this thing?