US Ambassador to Libya and 3 US Marines Killed.

[bj229r]

He said he was surprised Marines were there. Marines died there. I am surprised at the small amount but get this.

"team of U.S. Marines was being deployed to Libya to help secure U.S. interests following the attack" - You know who those guys are? That "TEAM" is F.A.S.T. Company. Those pieces of garbage are about to have a very, VERY bad day. You do NOT mess with F.A.S.T. Co. - ever.

Apparently a consulate doesn't warrant the same security as an embassy....this will probably make you mad, it did me
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/12/No-Marines-Guarding-US-Consulate-In-Libya

    Marine Corps spokeswoman Capt. Kendra Motz said that Marines were not posted to the consulate, unlike the embassy in the capital, Tripoli.

    A defense official told POLITICO on Wednesday that the Pentagon is sending an elite team of about 50 additional Marines, called a Fleet Antiterrorism Security Team, to reinforce the embassy.

    A senior administration official Wednesday called the Benghazi consulate “an interim facility,” which the State Department began using “before the fall of Qadhafi.” It was staffed Tuesday by Libyan and State Department security officers. The consulate came under fire from heavy machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades at about 10 p.m. local time on Tuesday. By the time the attack ended several hours later, four Americans were dead and three others had been injured.

    The Benghazi consulate had “lock-and-key” security, not the same level of defenses as a formal embassy, an intelligence source told POLITICO. That means it had no bulletproof glass, reinforced doors or other features common to embassies. The intelligence source contrasted it with the American embassy in Cairo, Egypt – “a permanent facility, which is a lot easier to defend.” The Cairo embassy also was attacked Tuesday.

This is startling and troubling news, especially in light of the fact that the day before yesterday's attacks, September 10, al-Qaeda chief Ayman al-Zawahri made direct threats against Americans in Libya to avenge the death of Abu Yahya al-Libi, a high-ranking al-Qaeda official taken out by an American drone attack last June.

Here you have al-Queda making explicit threats against Americans in Libya and little to no protection for our consulate -- and as a result, four Americans are dead.

Moreover, just hours before the attack ...

    [Sean] Smith sent a message to Alex Gianturco, the director of "Goonswarm," Smith's online gaming team or "guild."

    “Assuming we don’t die tonight,” the message, which was first reported by Wired, read. “We saw one of our ‘police’ that guard the compound taking pictures.”

    Within hours of posting that message, Smith, a husband and father of two, was dead. Gianturco, who could not be reached for further comment, got the word out to fellow gamers, according to Wired.

The media will never demand answers for this horrifying news, but hopefully a Congressional investigation will

[Shifty]

Personally, our bombs should be dropping over Libya and our tanks going through Tripoli.  

That wouldn't help anything at this point. It's one of those actions that sounds good when you're angry, but think about it a little while and you see it's just anger talking. A military invasion and occupation a sovereign nation over the actions of a group of thugs killing five Americans just isn't a proper response. I realize the embassy is also sovereign territory, but the crime just doesn't validate an invasion. Besides why send more troops to occupy another Middle Eastern train wreck? Not everybody in Libya is an extremist dirtbag and there will be people who come forward and assist in finding the dirtbags who did this. With any luck these people can be identified located and then maybe a visit from Seal Team Six could be arranged in the wee hours of the morning.

[titanic3]

My friend, they have already declared war, not it's time to get off our butts and wage it. Leave Libya in shambles and go home. It's the only way to stop this garbage. My only complaint is that we are sending war weary veterans to fight another war. But we have to fight this one.

I'm not a hippie anti war person, and I don't want to be viewed as one. Total war with Lybia is not going to benefit anyone. We win it, put a "democratic" tin head to power, 50 years later, same thing is going to happen again.

[Motherland]

Lets not forget how every day before the intervention in Libya how people from all sides criticized the US gov't and the UN for inaction and had their eyes red and mouths watering for Qaddafi's blood.
The same people who are now in Libya are now taking power in Syria, and every day people chastise the government for inaction, chastise Iran and Russia for supporting the Syrian regime, and let their emotions get the better of them...
Not everyone fighting against a their government is a good guy.

[DaveJ]

Lets not forget how every day before the intervention in Libya how people from all sides criticized the US gov't and the UN for inaction and had their eyes red and mouths watering for Qaddafi's blood.
The same people who are now in Libya are now taking power in Syria, and every day people chastise the government for inaction, chastise Iran and Russia for supporting the Syrian regime, and let their emotions get the better of them...
Not everyone fighting against a their government is a good guy.

You can throw in Egypt there, as well. What a disaster that has turned out to be. There was no "democracy" movement at all. The Muslim Brotherhood is a highly radical group, supporters of terrorism, and threaten to break the peace between Israel and Egypt. At least Mubarak was our friend and ally and kept the radical Islamic groups suppressed.

[Motherland]

You can throw in Egypt there, as well. What a disaster that has turned out to be. There was no "democracy" movement at all. The Muslim Brotherhood is a highly radical group, supporters of terrorism, and threaten to break the peace between Israel and Egypt. At least Mubarak was our friend and ally and kept the radical Islamic groups suppressed.

There sure was a democracy movement. It's just that the people of Egypt wanted a radical Muslim government.
You can also add Saddam Hussein's Iraq and the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan that called for Soviet support in the 80s to the list of secular (but relatively peaceful) regimes that we've removed in support of radical Muslim factions as well.

[Hajo]

I fear that no matter what we do in this region of the world it won't do any good.

The extremists have personal gains in mind, and they have guns.  The majority of Islam from
what I understand does not approve of what has been happening in their countries for some time.
They dislike what the extremists are doing.  They will not stop it or can't.  Those with power
such as in Egypt don't want to rock the boat....they may need extremists votes in the future.
Somethin akin to what happens in this country.  They won't do a thing, even if it is right and proper to do so.
It may well be unpopular (even in this country)  even if it is right to take action.

My dislike for Politicians grows deeper on a daily basis.
How else could one explain why the President wouldn't interupt his fund raiser in Vegas to deal with the
death of 4 American citizens.  It wouldn't be in his interest.  The donations would.

This is not just directed at our President, but our elected officials Senate and House of both parties
who seem to be elected to lifetime jobs not by their performance but an affiliation to a political party.

That is entirely our fault.  The voters.

[hawkeyeluke13]

My dislike for Politicians grows deeper on a daily basis.
How else could one explain why the President won't interupt his fund raiser in Vegas to deal with the
death of 4 American citizens.  It wouldn't be in his interest.  The donations would.

[/quote]
They where military and a guy trying to do his job  so it doesn't matter to our blessed ed  savior Barack Hussian Obama

[ink]

I find it funny that people are so quick to go to "war" yet cry and whine when it happens......

same as those that say there is no GOD but damn do they pray when their life is in danger.....

....I for one cant wait until this world is scrubbed clean, and everyone gets their just due....

[MaxQ]

I find it funny that people are so quick to go to "war" yet cry and whine when it happens......

same as those that say there is no GOD but damn do they pray when their life is in danger.....

....I for one cant wait until this world is scrubbed clean, and everyone gets their just due....


Huh? This from a guy who posts pics of his scantily-clad wife on the internet.

Now claiming to be on the winning side of some religious transcendent event, due hopefully in his immediate future.

Sorry, but.... huh, Ink?

We now return, hopefully, to some sane conversation.

 

[ink]

 

what does that have to do with my disdain for those who think they can dictate what others do


 


I tattooed GODs name on my right hand and face.....I don't believe what "religion" says.....IE men...I can think for myself I don't need others to think for me.....

most religion is men lieing, and has nothing to do with what the Bible says.

funny you call talking about and wishing of, the killing of people "sane conversation"......yet are offended(i'm guessing because of your remark) I would put a pic of my scantily clad wife up......


seems to me that is backwards....which does not surprise me at all.

[MaxQ]

Heck I don't know , Bro....

It's just the reference to wishing for when "the world is scrubbed clean, and everyone gets their just due" that pisses people off.

Religious dogma and sane conversation at times are....what's the word, folks? 

[Stalwart]

I'm praying for the Marines going in to harms way, and for their leadership to call it right in the next firefight.

[coombz]

Religious dogma and sane conversation at times are....what's the word, folks? 

mutually exclusive?

[ink]

Heck I don't know , Bro....

It's just the reference to wishing for when "the world is scrubbed clean, and everyone gets their just due" that pisses people off.

Religious dogma and sane conversation at times are....what's the word, folks? 

when I say "scrubbed clean" I am referring to evil and all that revel in it