Planes in LW vs. Respect

[Ardy123]

I don't always play AH but when I do, I rid in a tree.

.... and I never die!

[mtnman]

Seriously? 

People base respect for each other on plane choice?

Seems awful short-sighted and shallow.

I've seen a lot of "difficult mode" planes that wouldn't stray from their protective hordes, and only seemed to want to fight me if they had help (and even then, they'd often hang outside the fight and only jump in to pounce on me when I'd been whittled down to a state of helplessness).

And I've been in many a swarm with my "easy mode" lone-wolf F4U where simply keeping an eye on my enemies was tough; let alone surviving, getting any kills, or getting out with any kills.

In a one on one, sure, plane choice matters.  In the MA's though, landing kills is based far more on many factors OTHER than plane choice.

I believe the "plane choice" argument is primarily an excuse for getting killed.  It's a crutch.  AN important crutch at times, because some people obviously need to find a way to feel better than others when their stats may tell a different story.

I don't think I could respect someone who based respect on plane choice.

[Chalenge]

The people in disagreement fight as a group and pick people off each others six. Its smart but it doesnt mean they are flying more difficult aircraft. The real fact is they spin more horse hockey than any politician you ever heard of.

[Ardy123]

Seriously? 

People base respect for each other on plane choice?

Seems awful short-sighted and shallow.

thank you.. I guess my humor didn't deliver the message... oh well joke fail....

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Seriously? 

People base respect for each other on plane choice?

Seems awful short-sighted and shallow.

I've seen a lot of "difficult mode" planes that wouldn't stray from their protective hordes, and only seemed to want to fight me if they had help (and even then, they'd often hang outside the fight and only jump in to pounce on me when I'd been whittled down to a state of helplessness).

And I've been in many a swarm with my "easy mode" lone-wolf F4U where simply keeping an eye on my enemies was tough; let alone surviving, getting any kills, or getting out with any kills.

In a one on one, sure, plane choice matters.  In the MA's though, landing kills is based far more on many factors OTHER than plane choice.

I believe the "plane choice" argument is primarily an excuse for getting killed.  It's a crutch.  AN important crutch at times, because some people obviously need to find a way to feel better than others when their stats may tell a different story.

I don't think I could respect someone who based respect on plane choice.

I agree completely.....

I respect those that fight.....I don't care what they fly......as long as they fight.....

but I respect someone more when they show they dont need the "kill"  

for instance pnydrvr he always fights in his 51....also refused to engage me while I was fighting 2 of his friends.....

thats a guy I will respect and remember.....


the one pass haul arse to ACK or friends only to engage when the nme is engaged with friends......

then come up with all kinds of excuses why they didn't fight.....I have absolutely nothing for....except disdain.

[caldera]

I don't necessarily respect people for what they fly.  I do look down on certain "Aces", who could probably mop up in anything and yet are often found flying late war monsters in gang vulch parties.  How they get their jollies this way is mystifying.  I would be bored to death.

[SmokinLoon]

I will "chalenge" anyone to a duel.  I get the Spit16 and you get the P40C or I-16 w/ the .30 cal MG's only.  Oh, we all take %100 fuel, too.  We start at 10k, meet head on at full speed then once we pass it becomes "game on". 

We'll see just how important the plane is. 

Plane selection is everything and while pilot "skill" means at least %50 the ability of the plane to out run, out climb, out turn, or out dive is a huge part of the other half of that pie chart.  Gunnery and raw knowledge of the aircraft quirks and abilities (or lack of) are important as well.

Make no mistake about it, the plane is a bigger part of the success of a player than the nay-sayers will admit to.     

[BaldEagl]

Your ACM, and SA must take a serious hit if what you are assumingly trying to say is - its easier to pick in a A8, then try to dogfight in a trainerfire.

Where the hell did you get that from?  I said nothing of the sort.

[Chalenge]

Just for the record I dont respect any of you for what you do in AH. Nothing in this game can earn you respect. But when you go and insult someone for choosing a certain plane or for flying a certain way . . . I laugh at you. I am not the only one. WAY too serious. But then I realize thats exactly what you come here for. You want respect? Earn a million dollars or cure cancer or something along those lines.

[Debrody]

here we go... earn a load of money, you get respect...  play like a man, you dont get respect...
Where this world is going.

[Rob52240]

I think you're a snob.

[Slade]

but I respect someone more when they show they dont need the "kill" 

Ditto.  On every single occasion where a country-mate is asking for help or a call comes out at a pivotal moment for support in taking a base I'll engage.  I notice some score obsessed don't follow suite.  Their $15\month so I just shrug it off.

Maybe the title of this thread is misleading.  Just trying to get feedback on effectivity vs. plane choice.  Some really good feedback has come out of this thread so far. 

[mtnman]

I will "chalenge" anyone to a duel.  I get the Spit16 and you get the P40C or I-16 w/ the .30 cal MG's only.  Oh, we all take %100 fuel, too.  We start at 10k, meet head on at full speed then once we pass it becomes "game on".  

We'll see just how important the plane is.  

Plane selection is everything and while pilot "skill" means at least %50 the ability of the plane to out run, out climb, out turn, or out dive is a huge part of the other half of that pie chart.  Gunnery and raw knowledge of the aircraft quirks and abilities (or lack of) are important as well.

Make no mistake about it, the plane is a bigger part of the success of a player than the nay-sayers will admit to.    

Once again, we're talking about two radically different situations, and trying to jumble them into one convenient metric.

Dueling situations have very little in common with the MA environment.  Trying to compare same-plane or different-plane situations as if dueling and the MA were synonymous is ridiculous.

Personally, I find lone-wolfing the MA swarms in my late war monster F4U to be infinitely more difficult/challenging/engaging/exciting than the VAST majority of 1v1 dueling (whether it's same-plane duels or whether I'm disadvantaged through plane-choice, fuel load-out, or whatever).

Plane-choice "respect" arguments are really nothing more than ego-fluff (which is fine, BTW; we all find different ways/reasons to enjoy the game).

[mtnman]

Ditto.  On every single occasion where a country-mate is asking for help or a call comes out at a pivotal moment for support in taking a base I'll engage.  I notice some score obsessed don't follow suite.  Their $15\month so I just shrug it off.

Maybe the title of this thread is misleading.  Just trying to get feedback on effectivity vs. plane choice.  Some really good feedback has come out of this thread so far. 

And see, this is something I find more disrespectful than plane-choice.  I may jump in to save someone who's asking for assistance, but I consider doing so to be disrespectful for my/our opponent.

On the other hand, I truly love the challenge of having my opponent getting help in defeating me.  I'm ok with a multi-on-me, I'm not ok with participating in a multi-on-one.

Game-wise, I completely ignore the base-capture aspects though, so that's a fundamental difference between the way I play and the way others play.

 

[Oldman731]

Personally, I find lone-wolfing the MA swarms in my late war monster F4U to be infinitely more difficult/challenging/engaging/exciting than the VAST majority of 1v1 dueling (whether it's same-plane duels or whether I'm disadvantaged through plane-choice, fuel load-out, or whatever).

Don't you think it might be even more difficult were you flying a P-40C?

- oldman