Israeli air force strikes down drone

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Meanwhile in Jordan....

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I'm sure he's happy he wasn't in it flying..

[Vulcan]

What's the cost of the drone vs missile 

[Sundowner]

What's the cost of the drone vs missile 

Israeli Python 5 AAM:                          Expensive

Hizballah Drone:                                 Cheap

Watching the superb IAF in action:      Priceless


Some things money just cant buy.   

Regards,
Sun

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Israeli Python 5 AAM:                          Expensive

Hizballah Drone:                                 Cheap

Watching the superb IAF in action:      Priceless


Some things money just cant buy.  

Regards,
Sun

If the cost ratio is 1:100 the hizbollah can start the game of attrition. It's not only the cost of 1 missile but planes, fuel, personnel etc. required to shoot down 1 drone.

What they need is autonomous anti-drone drones. It's the sart of terminator I tell ya!

[evenhaim]

As boson said this drone wasn't a standerd hizbollah drone, plus you can't make those equations when it comes to security. People say the same thing about iron dome but it has prevented tens of millions in property damage and loss of lives.

[cpxxx]

It likely came from Lebanon over the med sea, but these are not the known Hizballah drones that the IAF shot down in 2006. Communicating with a drone at these distances require more than standard equipment, which means that either it was autonomous on a per-designated route, or that a larger player (starts with "I", ends with "n", and is not "Irelandn"

IYou never know it could be 'Irelandn'. We have Irish troops in Lebanon and we have drones. They lost one previously in Chad. The operator lost communication with it and it's default programme in that event was the 'Return to base'.

Can you guess which country sold us the drone? It was Israel. Maybe it was going home!

[mthrockmor]

I've watched this 20+ times. I swear up and down it is an F/A-18, not an F-16. I have watched and been around the operations of both jets literally thousand plus times. Admitted, I am not a pilot but having trained as a tanker/Cav scout with both in CAS role and seen far more F-16s then F/A-18's....I still think that is a Hornet.

So then I read the 'thinking out loud' comment about this being a false flag operation....I still have the testimony given before a Senate Select Committee in 1989 by a retired three-star Admiral testifying that the Gulf of Tonkin incident did not happen on his watch....

False flag? No idea but I can't buy that is an F-16. I've been wrong before though.

Boo

[GScholz]

That's an F-16. The 18 does not have drooping elevators.

[GScholz]

As for the false flag conspiracy: When did Israel ever need an excuse to blow stuff up?

[mthrockmor]

Nice still shot from video though at that angle drooping elevators may not be noticeable. And pulling through the verticle would account for the elevators not being level but changed angle of attack. The rear fuselage appears wider then an F-16, allowing for two GE404s.

Good shots but I remain unconvinced.

Boo

[bozon]

If the cost ratio is 1:100 the hizbollah can start the game of attrition. It's not only the cost of 1 missile but planes, fuel, personnel etc. required to shoot down 1 drone.

What is the ratio of budget of Israel and Hizballa? Selling drugs is profitable, but Israel high tech industry is even more so. For the personnel, they are already on the payroll, and active operations count towards their training. They also enjoy this and the public likes to see Hizballa stuff blowing up. Israel's #1 export, even more than high tech, is news.

[Sundowner]

If the cost ratio is 1:100 the hizbollah can start the game of attrition. It's not only the cost of 1 missile but planes, fuel, personnel etc. required to shoot down 1 drone.

What they need is autonomous anti-drone drones. It's the sart of terminator I tell ya!

But just think of the amount of awesome video as the IAF whacks drone after drone!

And after a while, if this attrition strategy is attempted, the IAF would likely go to a guns VS drones cure.
And they would get some AtoA gun training for their aircrew!

"Guns! Guns! Guns!"

What's the cost ratio of 50 20mm HEI cannon rounds VS 1 drone, eh? 

Here's some bonus IAF aviation video joy:
History Channels recreations  "Dogfights in the Middle east":

The advent of the F-15 in the IAF

Starts at the 5:20 mark part 4 and continuing in part 5.

"Then, in 1979, using a new generation of American built aircraft, the Israelis will introduce the world to the modern age of dog-fighting."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J23dIiW_PU0

Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGr31i_l6pQ&feature=relmfu

Regards,
Sun

[Angus]

It's an f-16. No twin tail there, it would be seen if it was an 18.

[mthrockmor]

It's an f-16. No twin tail there, it would be seen if it was an 18.

Nor is the single tail of an F-16I visible. I think it is other charateristics that become important. For anyone who has engaged in ID training programs you know how easy it is for people to misidentify very simple things. The easy answer is 'it's in F-16I' because that is what the Israelis fly and it fits the overall description. From the first time I saw the plane zoom by to the last I remain unconvinced.

It should be noted that the US and Israel have worked very closely on these types of programs. Not only drones but Aegis, CCWIS, Arrow, ABM, SM-3, etc. It is not out of the question that there may be US Hornets in the area. Maybe this was training, maybe it was live. It would not be the first time the US and Israel have collaborated on a program that they would deny publicly forever.

I'm stubborn but...

Boo

[Rino]

If the cost ratio is 1:100 the hizbollah can start the game of attrition. It's not only the cost of 1 missile but planes, fuel, personnel etc. required to shoot down 1 drone.

What they need is autonomous anti-drone drones. It's the sart of terminator I tell ya!

     Problem with that theory is eventually the Israeli's get tired of screwing around with drone launchers and vaporize the launch site.