Spit16 vs. Flopping Dead Fish

[Slade]

Back to point.  That Spit16 really is an awesome bird.  Fun to fly - fun to shoot down.

I kinda scratch my head though when I see posts here or 200 when a Tie16 pilot complains...about anything.    

I feel when flying a Tie16 that kills are just about handed to me on a silver platter.  Nearly so with the LA7.  I am not saying they need to be perked (don't care either way).  Silly though.

[Ardy123]

spit 16 is a great plane.... That being said.. it holds 'e' better than many rides and THIS CAN BE USED AGAINST IT!

most people in spits rely on the spits superior performance thus stage a position where you can change e states much faster (ie slow down faster and then regain it) and you will often get a very nice snap shot.

[Kweassa]

spit 16 is a great plane.... That being said.. it holds 'e' better than many rides and THIS CAN BE USED AGAINST IT!

most people in spits rely on the spits superior performance thus stage a position where you can change e states much faster (ie slow down faster and then regain it) and you will often get a very nice snap shot.

...until a cherrypicker comes down and busts your arse while you're at the height of your fancy slow down/overshoot gig.


Planes like the Spit16, or N1K, or Ki-84, or etc etc.. are never a threat by themselves. The true dangers (and thus, frustrations) with these types of planes are because when they start out with an E advantage high enough to latch down to you and force extreme maneuvers, that means you're probably not gonna be going home, unless your side is the local horde.

[Debrody]

Ya i LUVED when a spit16/ki84/niki came at 20k, and did nothing but rope-a-dope like he was in a 38 or pony. Then tryed to run home from a stupid 109/190 when they lost the E. Then the bragging about how i suck.

[Ardy123]

Planes like the Spit16, or N1K, or Ki-84, or etc etc.. are never a threat by themselves. The true dangers (and thus, frustrations) with these types of planes are because when they start out with an E advantage high enough to latch down to you and force extreme maneuvers, that means you're probably not gonna be going home, unless your side is the local horde.

This can be said about any plane though... hell I can cherry pick and win in p40b.... I just need a bit larger of an e adv...

Ya i LUVED when a spit16/ki84/niki came at 20k, and did nothing but rope-a-dope like he was in a 38 or pony. Then tryed to run home from a stupid 109/190 when they lost the E. Then the bragging about how i suck.

Thats like 90% of the player base.... as Jugler says... they play to not lose.... not play to win. 

[Kweassa]

This can be said about any plane though... hell I can cherry pick and win in p40b.... I just need a bit larger of an e adv...

Except the Spit16 is a high-performing plane which overlaps both the "speed" category and "maneuverability" category.

Many people have a tendency to brag about how they can out-perform a certain, superior plane with their skill -- except in reality, they really didn't out-perform a superior plane. They simply out-performed an inferior pilot. Rarely do they come to these boards and mention those times where they've met a pilot behind a Spit with about equal, or even superior, skill level, and how the superior performance of the plane, coupled with a pilot as skilled as themselves, simply wooped their arses.

In that sense, as mentioned above, many planes have very distinct and defined weaknesses which may suit them in one situation, but not the other. However, the rare breed of planes like the Spit16, are excellent in so many ways that if you really think about it, there's no reason to assume that the specific plane would be an easy kill.

The fact that a usually inferior, newbie-grade pilots are behind its controls in the MA, doesn't really adequately compliment what that plane can do.

[pervert]

Except the Spit16 is a high-performing plane which overlaps both the "speed" category and "maneuverability" category.

Many people have a tendency to brag about how they can out-perform a certain, superior plane with their skill -- except in reality, they really didn't out-perform a superior plane. They simply out-performed an inferior pilot. Rarely do they come to these boards and mention those times where they've met a pilot behind a Spit with about equal, or even superior, skill level, and how the superior performance of the plane, coupled with a pilot as skilled as themselves, simply wooped their arses.

In that sense, as mentioned above, many planes have very distinct and defined weaknesses which may suit them in one situation, but not the other. However, the rare breed of planes like the Spit16, are excellent in so many ways that if you really think about it, there's no reason to assume that the specific plane would be an easy kill.

The fact that a usually inferior, newbie-grade pilots are behind its controls in the MA, doesn't really adequately compliment what that plane can do.

A planes ability to turn well can be used against them, it turns well yes but it must burn E doing that, I have found regardless of skill levels even at equal skill levels there is still a fork in the decision making process that you live or die by, sometimes its a second guess a gamble. In the case of a spit16 I find that although it is an excellent plane its main advantage ie turning can be used against it in the vertical and by its very nature of turning well it is less likely to have its highest energy state.

Also I think turn is over rated in terms of what wins a fight, in my view a fast plane with top of the line thrust and easy fast transitions is all you need, what I fly the D9 has one of those characteristics thrust the second fast transitions from nose up to nose down is a lot harder to manage.

[BaldEagl]

A planes ability to turn well can be used against them, it turns well yes but it must burn E doing that, I have found regardless of skill levels even at equal skill levels there is still a fork in the decision making process that you live or die by, sometimes its a second guess a gamble. In the case of a spit16 I find that although it is an excellent plane its main advantage ie turning can be used against it in the vertical and by its very nature of turning well it is less likely to have its highest energy state.

Also I think turn is over rated in terms of what wins a fight, in my view a fast plane with top of the line thrust and easy fast transitions is all you need, what I fly the D9 has one of those characteristics thrust the second fast transitions from nose up to nose down is a lot harder to manage.

But the Spits hold E extremely well in a turn.  If the XVI pilot throttles down to match turn radius or to get inside the turn he still has the acceleration and power to go back into the vert with little effort.  The K-4 might be the only other plane that could match it in that regard.

[Ardy123]

Rarely do they come to these boards and mention those times where they've met a pilot behind a Spit with about equal, or even superior, skill level, and how the superior performance of the plane, coupled with a pilot as skilled as themselves, simply wooped their arses.
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The fact that a usually inferior, newbie-grade pilots are behind its controls in the MA, doesn't really adequately compliment what that plane can do.

And that's why chan 200 was invented....  sometimes people need to be reminded to remove their their training wheels


On a serious note though.... the best advise is to not slow down... if you are in another late war monster...(k4/d9/p51...) just don't fight its game.... slash and strike and don't go under 350.

[pervert]

But the Spits hold E extremely well in a turn.  If the XVI pilot throttles down to match turn radius or to get inside the turn he still has the acceleration and power to go back into the vert with little effort.  The K-4 might be the only other plane that could match it in that regard.

Or it might just be it is a lot easier for the spit to get his nose high quicker and therefore hold it there for longer