What to do about the P-51D scourge?

[Ripley]

I fly the K4 90% of the time. For the very reason that i got tired of pony's running. I do fly the pony often but i can't aim the thing. But from my experiences fighting against them and flying them i can say this. Throttle control and flaps with a steady hand and 200 or 300 feet of alt to gain E. Avoid the vertical fight. A lot of practice stall fighting the thing is the key as with any other plane. ACM wins the fight. The plane and it's ability's are just the tool 

Sounds about right, just need to practice it a little more, thanks!

When you get back into the game I'll have to throw a pm your way so we can have some DA fights 

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Sounds about right, just need to practice it a little more, thanks!

When you get back into the game I'll have to throw a pm your way so we can have some DA fights 

I would like that. I have been gone for a few months 

[Karnak]

Apologies, I was addressing your OP and did so before I realized there were 7 pages to this 48hr-old thread.

Nowhere in my OP did I suggest perking the P-51D, so no, you weren't addressing my OP.

[Ripley]

Nowhere in my OP did I suggest perking the P-51D, so no, you weren't addressing my OP.

Okay, so I misread. you said the word "perk" in some form or another a good half-dozen times in your post and my brain apparently misread one of your statements.

[Karnak]

Okay, so I misread. you said the word "perk" in some form or another a good half-dozen times in your post and my brain apparently misread one of your statements.

Yeah, I think we can both heartily agree that perking the P-51D would be a very bad idea.

[Debrody]

The Dora does really well against single ponies or a pair of them.
("im dropping your radar then running home, you cant catch me, neener...   errr....  how can a dora outturn a pony, you freakin haxxor, whaaa!!")

Against the mass pony-missions the only thing what can be done is a well-placed 262.

Problem solved. Perks in pocket.

[guncrasher]

I'm not going to call you a liar, as I am sure you have much more time in the 51D than i do, but in my experiences getting the 51 into a turning fight is only a good idea until you drop below 250mph, at which point your choices are to extend away to reposition and gain some lost speed or to succumb to whatever plane you are trying to turn with.

If you can prove me wrong I would love for you to show me some pointers    

if the other guy is a decent player, you have 2 turns to kill him at stall speed.  on the 3rd turn he's gonna get behind you and you are dead.  that is my experience with the pony.



semp

[bustr]

I talked about perking the P51D.

Even if you make it's eny 0, it will still be over used in the manner you opined with. Even if you perk the ord I doubt the perk will be enough to impede it's over use as a hoarding super fast bomb truck. To impede the use of 1000lb bombs the ord perk would have to become a defacto perk on the P51D itself. At which point stop stacking angels on a pin head and make the P51D worthy of perking and perk it. It was introduced into the ETO at 72in MAP. We all fight with WEP on as "Combat Speed" for the most part.

Otherwise you will not change player behavior where the P51D is concerned. It's the jack of all trades, get out of jail free with your skin plane of choice in the LWMA. It's not about ENY, perks or kills landed. It's about how safe it makes an average player feel and his chances of getting away in one piece.

The usage charts for it validate the 80\20 rule. The majority of players are using it for safety and not "Fighting". Only a minority of players are concerned about the quality of the "Fighting".  And that minority tends to be the majority in these forums pulling their collective hair out over the 80 percenter's fixation on wanting to be able to runaway really really fast when things go bad during the "Fighting".

Or complain about the P51D's over use.

[ink]

The only thing this proves is how awesome you really are, INK.

 

I don't know about that, all I see is my horrible aim....I think it shows that the 51 is far from a "scourge" yup it is over used....but imagine if all the ones in 51's were in 16's..... a far more dangerous plane then the 51.

now of course I am not talking about bombing anything, that is a different convo entirely.

I say fly what ever the hell you want and let others do the same..... 

[Ripley]

if the other guy is a decent player, you have 2 turns to kill him at stall speed.  on the 3rd turn he's gonna get behind you and you are dead.  that is my experience with the pony.



semp

I'd say that sounds about right 

[Pand]

But if you don't keep turnfighting past the second turn, and take your cartoon death with cartoon honor, then you are just a picker and a runner!    

[bustr]

We sound like players in some kind of Sword & Sorcery Fantasy game with orks and trolls and dragons. We even have scourges of the land to oppose or kvetch about.

So how many scourges in the past 6 or 8 years have we survived or Hitech tweeked into a whimper.......

Nikki UFO's
CHog HO invasions
Suicide porkers
Lancstuka Kamikaze
110 NOE HO raids
NOE steam rollers
262 griefers of NOE raiders
Hoards avoiding each other
Spawn Camping
JSO and ENY
Lanstucka spawn camper carpet rolling
Warp 12 La7 HO and runners
Kill and Capture Fields by number AH1 era towns
Art of the HO
Spit16 uber turners
K4 uber WEP torquers
IL2 F3 Super Furballers
vTard Hit and Runaway enMass Rabid Gerbil raids
Hide the CV
Invasion of the Brewster Impossible Dream Snatchers
Invicible Iron Railgun Spawn Camping
GV hunting by Brail
Hidden Wirbel OOpsies
M3 ACK resupply greifers
P51D Scourge of BombTrucking and HOaRunningAwaying

And we actualy find time to fight each other in our frantic search for the slightest exploit to avoid fighting each other.

[Karnak]

Hmmm, only one I remember was the F4U-1C scourge.

Well, other than the one day Me262 scourges that happen occasionally when it is accidentally unperked.

[Kingpin]

I say fly what ever the hell you want and let others do the same..... 

I agree with what you are saying, but this is not really about limiting what people fly.  It's about how they choose to use their ords.  Karnak clarifies this several posts into this thread with the idea of perking bomb loadouts (not the plane), because of how the P-51 is abused as a high-speed bomb delivery vehicle, and in many cases a suicide one.  

Yes, everyone in the LWMA should be able to fly the plane of their choice.  But lifting a fighter to go fight is one thing, whereas taking heavy ponies to go crash into a CV, v-Base or fighter hangers, has a much greater impact on how other people get to play the game.  The ability to have that kind of impact on the game should come with a cost, especially for failure (not landing) and that is, perk points.

By making those load-outs which have a high impact on the game cost perk points (tied into the ENY of the plane) you may see fewer suicide jabo runs, especially using low ENY planes like the Pony-D.

A cost for premium ord load-outs could extend to any AC, and might also be an effective method for cutting down on the ridiculous Lanc-stuka and low-alt suicide carpet-bombing runs many players make over and over, regardless of their dying every time.

 

  

[caldera]

Instead of perking the 1,000 lb bombs on fighters, perhaps they could simply be eliminated as a choice in the hangar.
Sure they were "used in teh war" but this is a game and hordes of super fast p-51 bombers flattening everything is lame.
Make it so only bombers can carry bombs bigger than 250 lbs and let them do the heavy smashing. 

By limiting fighters to 250 lb bombs, there would be a reason to fly the medium bombers.