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Audiophiles I need some guidance .
« on: November 26, 2012, 03:04:49 PM »
      I am going to treat myself to a 5.1 sound system for my PC . Need to keep price around $120.00 . It will be used for mostly flying here , listening to music and a little movie watching . I know crap about sound systems . Any help appreciated .

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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2012, 03:31:12 PM »
i think i might treat myself to a sound system for the pc :old:

Have you tried 5.1 headphones?
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2012, 03:54:24 PM »
i think i might treat myself to a sound system for the pc :old:

Have you tried 5.1 headphones?

Yeah for 120 bucks headphones are your _only_ option for getting any remotely decent sound. For a quality 5.1 setup the cost is tenfold and upwards, sky is the limit. You can't get even one speaker for 120 bucks basically.

Go for headphones or bump your pricerange to 1200 bucks for a starter level 5.1 hifi.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2012, 04:10:45 PM »
Have you tried 5.1 headphones?

This.... I have a sennheiser headphone set and it sounds much better than most sound systems do... (within the same price range). My head phones are a couple of years old so I have no idea who makes the best deal today, but simple google search should solve that issue.
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2012, 05:03:02 PM »
Yeah for 120 bucks headphones are your _only_ option for getting any remotely decent sound. For a quality 5.1 setup the cost is tenfold and upwards, sky is the limit. You can't get even one speaker for 120 bucks basically.

Go for headphones or bump your pricerange to 1200 bucks for a starter level 5.1 hifi.
i'm sure that's true if you have the hearing of a bat...then you could hear a flea fart from 100 yards away but for most humans, ultra super duper pie in the sky isn't necessary. and there is no such thing as actual 5.1 headphones. sound quality has as much to do with what is driving the speakers as it does the speakers themselves. unless you're running a professional sound board in your computer, a typical computer sound card isn't going to do what a component stereo system will.

Hlbly is your computer setup where you can take full advantage of 5.1 surround sound? i mean area and placement. have to take into consideration that there will be wires running everywhere.
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/setup/connection-guide/home-theater-speaker-guide/index.html

you could check out logitech g51, creative t6160 or maybe the altec lansing fx5051 sets.
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2012, 05:39:53 PM »
I got my 7.1 surround system for free off freecycle - check it in your area, all kinds of cool stuff comes up.  Works great.  The house rumbles when I crank up the bass and shove the throttle forward.

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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2012, 05:51:13 PM »
Creative 7.1 Audigy 2zs is what i use
found on ebay for about 20 to 60 bucks
As far as headphones depends on your taste personally im running these .
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7099988&CatId=7214

were 70 now 19 on clearance sound great.
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2012, 05:52:42 PM »
Yeah gyrene it is a rectangular room  , with the the front and rear in the corners and sub up against an outside wall . I am using a cheap WalMart surround sound system with decent speakers for the satellites and center speaker . It is not true surround though . It has a 3.5 mm < I think> jack to two RCA's . I want to get a system where you use the three connections front ,rear, and bass/center . You are dead on right about hearing . I was Indirect Fire Support for the first 12 years of my career . I have some hearing loss . I am also a single dad with a two year old and cutting myself off from the world around m,e like headphones do is not an option . I know I will not be getting a Bose system for that price . I don't need one for my computer either . The sound I get out of my no name brand system with Kenwood speakers is not bad . It is 10 years old and was designed to be hooked up to a TV or VCR .

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2012, 06:19:40 PM »
I don't need one for my computer either .
wait, am i misreading something somewhere?

      I am going to treat myself to a 5.1 sound system for my PC . Need to keep price around $120.00 . It will be used for mostly flying here , listening to music and a little movie watching . I know crap about sound systems . Any help appreciated .
are you looking for a 5.1 speaker setup for the computer or for the television?
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2012, 07:52:52 PM »
My bad gyrene . I meant I don't need a "Bose" system for my computer . I have one <entry level> in my front room . I do need some type of a budget system however . I am going to check those three out that you suggested when I go home . This puter I am on drives me crazy !

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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2012, 08:45:34 PM »
I'm a big fan of Grado headphones, they start around $70 and they are an open design on the back so they don't  completely back out the outside world.  GREAT bang for the buck, especially for music.  They are only two channel however.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2012, 09:21:30 PM »
I have the Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 system.   Worth every penny.    :rock   
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2012, 10:38:06 PM »
I'm a big fan of Grado headphones, they start around $70 and they are an open design on the back so they don't  completely back out the outside world.  GREAT bang for the buck, especially for music.  They are only two channel however.
While Grado's are great (I love my Sr225i) they can be pretty uncomfortable after long periods of time
Sennheisers I think are usually highly recommended for gaming because they have a pretty big soudstage
And you hear in two channels so as far as headphones go it doesn't matter

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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2012, 11:22:02 PM »
hilbly go to best buy the have a good 5.1 set for about 120 bucks.  and if you dont like it you can take it back.  I have used mine for about 5 years now.


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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2012, 12:58:34 AM »
i'm sure that's true if you have the hearing of a bat...then you could hear a flea fart from 100 yards away but for most humans, ultra super duper pie in the sky isn't necessary. and there is no such thing as actual 5.1 headphones. sound quality has as much to do with what is driving the speakers as it does the speakers themselves. unless you're running a professional sound board in your computer, a typical computer sound card isn't going to do what a component stereo system will.

Hlbly is your computer setup where you can take full advantage of 5.1 surround sound? i mean area and placement. have to take into consideration that there will be wires running everywhere.
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/setup/connection-guide/home-theater-speaker-guide/index.html

you could check out logitech g51, creative t6160 or maybe the altec lansing fx5051 sets.

Heh, this is where you're wrong. Even the cheapest amp setup will produce about 100x cleaner sound than any conventional speaker can ever reproduce. Speakers induce phase distortion (most speakers even use passive crossovers which by themselves cause problems as the impedance curve of the speaker changes the way passive crossover works and 2nd level Butterworth typically used in speakers reverses phase by 180°) this basically means that the speaker designer has to reverse the polarity to the tweeter, compensate for acoustic difference between speaker element distances meaning delay circuits which then again cause more problems... and field radiation problems (audio energy doesn't necessarily spread evenly to the room at all sound frequencies, causing blurred or harsh sound even if measured responses are flat looking), acoustic reflections (the main reason for audio problems usually, extrapolated by field radiation problems) and just pure old distortion and power compression created in the speaker elements due to their analog operation. The speaker box in itself causes acoustic problems. A square box is almost the worst speaker design you can use, but it's used by default because a square box is cheapest to produce :) An optimal shape for a conventional speaker refraction wise would be a totally round enclosure. Internally a round enclosure is not optimal though but that's another discussion there.

If you look at the near field response of a typical speaker you'll notice the frequency response has very harsh spikes in the upper frequency and wider alterations in the lower frequency range. The spikes are introduced by floor reflection and early wall reflections. When direct sound from the speaker mixes with reflected sound from close by surfaces, mixed polarity sound get combined and as some may know, if you add reversed polarity sounds together the end result is silence. This means when you mix reflected sound to the direct sound, you get big dips in some frequencies and double boost to others. The reflected sound arrives to the ear with such low delay that the brain doesn't handle it as echo, it gets just blurred in. These spikes get multiplied when listening outside near-field in a normal room for this reason and this is why you should always place your speakers 2-3ft from any nearby wall whenever possible and small speakers should be raised to stands. Even the cheapest amp can produce sound with very little distortion and near flat frequency response - then the 1000 dollar speaker will introduce 100-1000x worse room response from that sound. That is why speakers are THE most important component in the whole setup, theyre the most difficult and expensive component to produce.

Best sound can be achieved with electrostatic panels combined with cardioid subwoofers which bring directivity to bass range at the cost of size and cost. Using electrostatic panels you get extremely close to the original sound produced by the amp even when listening from a regular distance and in a regular room. This is never the case with conventional boxed speakers.

Headphones do not have any of the room based problems, which is why decent sound can be achieved with a ridiculously simple hardware. The speaker directly modulates the air in the ear canal which makes bass response flat even with a miniature speaker element (same effect happens in a car below 80hz by the way).
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