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Which is best for a stable CH Setup....
« on: December 21, 2012, 12:07:37 PM »
Powered USB hub or adding a USB 3.0 card with 4 ports on the MB?  
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Re: Which is best for a stable CH Setup....
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2012, 02:04:17 PM »
I would go with BOTH ..
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Re: Which is best for a stable CH Setup....
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2012, 02:06:31 PM »
Quote from: ebfd11 on December 21, 2012, 02:04:17 PM
I would go with BOTH ..

The powered hub is giving my stick and pedals spiking....
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Re: Which is best for a stable CH Setup....
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2012, 02:32:17 PM »
Heya ChangeUp,

I have used CH gear since '95 and ever since I went USB type, I have never had to use an external USB powered hub or otherwise...

I have posted on here many years ago regarding not all MotherBoards Manufacturers are the same when it comes to the component quality and how they delegate the power draw, etc... this is one reason I have always been partial to using higher end ASUS MBs.....  I never have experienced the power/spiking issues that
alot of others constantly post about....

then again, most will have 6 to 10 USB pheripals plugged in and splitted off of etc of just 2 or 3 root hubs that Windows recognizes ( hope I posted that correctly )
so it results in not having enough power for all the extra USB items they are using.... like printers, lan connection, etc...

I do not see where using a USB 3.0 port will be of benefit any more than using a 2.0 USB port .... both still have the same 5 volt draw if I am not mistaken

powered USB hubs are a 50/50 ordeal....

wish you the best of luck in finding a cure

TC  ( yes I know I didnt use spellcheck )
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Re: Which is best for a stable CH Setup....
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2012, 02:40:15 PM »
Quote from: TequilaChaser on December 21, 2012, 02:32:17 PM
Heya ChangeUp,

I have used CH gear since '95 and ever since I went USB type, I have never had to use an external USB powered hub or otherwise...

I have posted on here many years ago regarding not all MotherBoards Manufacturers are the same when it comes to the component quality and how they delegate the power draw, etc... this is one reason I have always been partial to using higher end ASUS MBs.....  I never have experienced the power/spiking issues that
alot of others constantly post about....

then again, most will have 6 to 10 USB pheripals plugged in and splitted off of etc of just 2 or 3 root hubs that Windows recognizes ( hope I posted that correctly )
so it results in not having enough power for all the extra USB items they are using.... like printers, lan connection, etc...

I do not see where using a USB 3.0 port will be of benefit any more than using a 2.0 USB port .... both still have the same 5 volt draw if I am not mistaken

powered USB hubs are a 50/50 ordeal....

wish you the best of luck in finding a cure

TC  ( yes I know I didnt use spellcheck )

TC,

I've got a Sabertooth X58.  The 3.0 is just what I happened to pick up not for speed.  So which would you prefer?
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Re: Which is best for a stable CH Setup....
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2012, 03:13:58 PM »
Hey Changeup, They both should work the same regarding your ch gear... I understand your reasoning
for wanting the 3.0 for increased data transfer speed...

That x58 board should provide you ample power for your ch setup, depending
on what other USB powered products you might be using

Hope this helps, Bro!

TC
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Re: Which is best for a stable CH Setup....
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2012, 05:35:30 PM »
Quote from: TequilaChaser on December 21, 2012, 03:13:58 PM
Hey Changeup, They both should work the same regarding your ch gear... I understand your reasoning
for wanting the 3.0 for increased data transfer speed...

That x58 board should provide you ample power for your ch setup, depending
on what other USB powered products you might be using

Hope this helps, Bro!

TC

The stick and the rudder pedals are the components that are "flickering" in the calibration area.  The throttle is fine.  I'm going to isolate each one by plugging them into the computer directly.  I suppose it could be the CH stuff.  I'll go ahead and install the 4 X 3.0....just cuz I need a computer-fixing fix.
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Re: Which is best for a stable CH Setup....
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2012, 07:06:33 PM »
Do you have the CH software installed? When I switched to a CH stick and pedals I had a lot of spiking until I installed the CH software. Once I calibrated the pedals and stick in the CH manager and then in the game the problem went away.
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Re: Which is best for a stable CH Setup....
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2012, 07:07:44 PM »
Quote from: edog1977 on December 21, 2012, 07:06:33 PM
Do you have the CH software installed? When I switched to a CH stick and pedals I had a lot of spiking until I installed the CH software. Once I calibrated the pedals and stick in the CH manager and then in the game the problem went away.

I had it installed but I removed it.  I'm right in the middle of testing everything now.
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Re: Which is best for a stable CH Setup....
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2012, 07:34:22 PM »
The problem with CH gear is that they need 5volts through the USB port to work properly.  If the USB ports on your motherboard output a steady 5volts then there should be no issues connecting your CH USB gear directly through the USB ports on your motherboard.  If the USB ports on the motherboard aren't outputting the 5volts needed by the CH gear than it is recommended that you use a powered USB hub to ensure the CH gear gets the necessary power.

On my previous system, I had an ASRock motherboard that didn't output a steady 5 volts, so I had issue like spiking controllers around center and frequest loss of calibration or even Windows not seeing my controllers so I had to use a powered USB hub to get my controllers working properly.  When I got my new system, it has an ASUS motherboard with a steady 5volt output for the USB ports and I'm able to use the ports on my computer for my CH controllers without any problems as my CH gear gets the necessary power, unlike with my old ASRock motherboard.

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Re: Which is best for a stable CH Setup....
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2012, 07:56:42 PM »
If you are using Windows 7 I suggest you use the powered hub either with or without the card.
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Re: Which is best for a stable CH Setup....
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2012, 01:17:35 AM »
Ok, it was miserable tonight.  I removed the POS powered USB hub and plugged straight into the MB on three ports.  I also removed the CH manager software.  The calibration numbers NEVER settled down all night.  I had to recalibrate twice and it never settled.  I calibrated in Windows first and that is a mess with CH gear.  The damn Microsoft stuff doesn't recognize each of the CH components for what they do because it wanted me to center my throttle?  Ok.

So then I installed the USB card and when it loaded the drivers the system ran beyond slow.  I had no idea a small board like that would dominate resources so THAT got jerked out too.  This sucks.  I've got plenty of power, 850W 80 Gold
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Re: Which is best for a stable CH Setup....
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2012, 02:16:12 AM »
I have a Belkin 7 port powered hub with a full CH USB setup.  It has been rock solid for at least the past 4 years.  I use the CH Manager software with lots of buttons programmed.  Always solid performance.
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Re: Which is best for a stable CH Setup....
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2012, 03:39:22 AM »
Its not your gear. It is probably the settings you have under power management. I will have to look at it in more detail to sort it out. By the time I do someone else will probably have the solution posted.
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Re: Which is best for a stable CH Setup....
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2012, 09:39:33 AM »
Quote from: Changeup on December 22, 2012, 01:17:35 AM
Ok, it was miserable tonight.  I removed the POS powered USB hub and plugged straight into the MB on three ports.  I also removed the CH manager software.  The calibration numbers NEVER settled down all night.  I had to recalibrate twice and it never settled.  I calibrated in Windows first and that is a mess with CH gear.  The damn Microsoft stuff doesn't recognize each of the CH components for what they do because it wanted me to center my throttle?  Ok.

So then I installed the USB card and when it loaded the drivers the system ran beyond slow.  I had no idea a small board like that would dominate resources so THAT got jerked out too.  This sucks.  I've got plenty of power, 850W 80 Gold

Having all the power in the world isn't going to do you any good if it doesn't get through your MB to the CH gear you have plugged in. I have had the same Belkin 4 port ( they don't even offer it any more) for many years. I haven't calibrated my CH gear in years and haven't had any issues with spiking.

As AK-AK always says, YMMV
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