Video Card ?uestion

[guncrasher]

Link?

mrripley i am pretty sure you have noticed by now that skuzzy has mentioned many a time that the majority of the problems that players call about are regarding amd video cards or amd systems.  not sure which one but amd is somewhere there. 

you keep on arguing that amd is a  good bang for your money and probably so, but when it comes to playing aces high it isnt.  it is just that simple.  amd only uses 1 core while nvidia uses two.  is the extra 50 to 100 bucks worth the hassle of finding out if amd will be ok for aces high is not money well spent in my opinion.

it is like trying to argue that using windows is a waste of money when you can install linux for free.  people like me who cant figure out why linux wont install on my system with the hardware that I have are more than happy to spend the 100 bucks as opposite to trying to figure out or even pay somebody else a couple of hundred bucks to make that cheaper os work.

it all comes down to spending your money wisely and sometimes the aggravation isnt worth the savings.


midway

[Debrody]

My phenomII 955 definiately uses 2 cores in AH. Still, 2 Intel cores are definiately much better than 2 AMD cores (and im an amd fanboi...).
IMO, an i5 3570 - HD-79xx is the best combination, price/performance-wise, by far. Thats a very decent system and is going to serve its happy owner for a long time.

[zack1234]

Cheers debrody

I will investigate that recommendation for my new pc

Its very complicated picking a set up your going to keep for the next five years

[Skuzzy]

And how did the 'apple is crap' comment add anything to the discussion? He started the flaming.

He made a comment about a product, you made a personal attack.  If you cannot see the difference, it is your problem.  Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

mrripley i am pretty sure you have noticed by now that skuzzy has mentioned many a time that the majority of the problems that players call about are regarding amd video cards or amd systems.  not sure which one but amd is somewhere there.  

you keep on arguing that amd is a  good bang for your money and probably so, but when it comes to playing aces high it isnt.  it is just that simple.  amd only uses 1 core while nvidia uses two.  is the extra 50 to 100 bucks worth the hassle of finding out if amd will be ok for aces high is not money well spent in my opinion.

it is like trying to argue that using windows is a waste of money when you can install linux for free.  people like me who cant figure out why linux wont install on my system with the hardware that I have are more than happy to spend the 100 bucks as opposite to trying to figure out or even pay somebody else a couple of hundred bucks to make that cheaper os work.

it all comes down to spending your money wisely and sometimes the aggravation isnt worth the savings.

As far as problems with video cards go, it is split between NVidia and AMD/ATI as to the number of issues.  CPU wise, AMD is leading by a huge margin.  Many times it is related to the CPU issue where the particular AMD CPU cannot run multiple cores due to the high resolution clock issue (still seems to be hit and miss).  Other times it is related to the support chips on the motherboard (compatibility problems with third party products is a big one)

With Intel, the bulk of the issues are related to someone forgetting to install the motherboard chipset drivers.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

He made a comment about a product, you made a personal attack.  If you cannot see the difference, it is your problem.  Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

He stated in his comment that his sole purpose was to flame.

heck here is some more fuel,

 
If you cannot see that then you must be biased.

[Skuzzy]

He stated in his comment that his sole purpose was to flame.

 
If you cannot see that then you must be biased.

Again, it was a comment about a product/company. not a personal attack at all.  If you chose to take comments about hardware personally, that is your choice.  I have no control over that.

You want to call Microsoft crap, go for it, but when you call a member of the community crap, then you suffer the consequences for that.

All I see is your inability to distance yourself from comments about a company or its products.

[cattb]

Yes we all know how much you like to argue, heck here is some more fuel, Apple sucks and I don't think I'll ever buy one of their POS.

As I said it is only my opinion, and over the many years I have built my own computers I rarely have an issue. From everything I've read AMD seems to have problems now and then. Personally I don't see why ....other than trying to save a few bucks.... anyone would take a chance with AMD.

In my opinion, I used AMD for years. When I rebuilt I went with Intel because I did not like the way AMD went with its acrhitecture. When it becomes time to build another PC I will look at both AMD and Intel. Figure the use of the computer and go from there. The same with nvidia and ATI, which ever is the best for my use. I have used them both. I sure hope Intel dosn 't get a monopoly on CPU's.

[alskahawk]

 I have two computers one with an AMD card and one with a NV card. The Gigabyte AMD 7870 HD card is coupled with a Gigabyte MB and is what I use for AH. There is something wrong with either the card or the MB. I suspect the MB is the problem, but the card isn't overly impressive. The MB is a mini ATX board and I am going to change it for a performance board next week. Along with some better ram to see if this helps. Prior to this computer I have always used NV cards with no problems.
 
 My other computer is a NV card. It's a EVGA GTX 660 TI card on a old XFX board running a 55 inch TV. It runs games, like SIMs and movies with no no problems.

 If I were building a system today I would stick with the NV cards mostly because of my previous experiance with them, but also because of the problems I have heard about with other cards. There may be some instances with one NV card may be outperformed by another brand, but the cards last. I tend to buy a good upper end cards and use them for a few years, often opting to change other components for performance and leaving the video card as the last item. But if when I get a new card I usually build the system around the card. A decent game system costs about the same as a top end video card.
 
 EVGA GTX 660Ti                                       Gigabyte AMD 7870 HD
 4 Gig Ram                                                8 Gig ram (1600)                                         
 Q6600 2.4 Intel CPU                                 3.6 AMD quad CPU
 XFX 680i LT                                             Gigabyte GA 880 GM DH2
 500 GB HD                                               160 GB Raptor
 55 inch TV                                                24 inch monitor

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Again, it was a comment about a product/company. not a personal attack at all.  If you chose to take comments about hardware personally, that is your choice.  I have no control over that.

You want to call Microsoft crap, go for it, but when you call a member of the community crap, then you suffer the consequences for that.

All I see is your inability to distance yourself from comments about a company or its products.

I made NO statement about his person. I said he was stuck to the bottom feeder level of computing i.e. using Microsoft products like most average computer users are. You're making an issue out of nothing here, Sir.

[Skuzzy]

I made NO statement about his person. I said he was stuck to the bottom feeder level of computing i.e. using Microsoft products like most average computer users are. You're making an issue out of nothing here, Sir.

Wow, just wow.

Well, all I can do is warn someone.  Next attack and you will be suspended from the board.  Not my problem you cannot see how that is a personal attack.

[Rob52240]

I have decided that the MB will be Asus.  Regardless of which direction I go.

Are there any other brands that are also built Ford Tough?
I have ruled out sourcing any boards by MSI and Gigabbyte through personal experience.

[Denniss]

Asrock, may not always be the fastest boards but usually rock-stable. And they have a good tech support that actually answers upon requests.

[cattb]

I use gigabyte, built 3 computers with gigabyte z77 boards and I like them. I havnt had ASUS in 5 years, the last ASUS I had the LAN went out and the voltage would not go over 1.85 volts so I could not adjust the voltage for the higher speed of the RAM, well I settled for less speed. The product description did't say it would not go over 1.85 volts though.

Like anything, some people like nividia, some people like ATI, some people like Apple products, some people don't like Apple products.

ASUS is a good product, they make nice boards. I have a ASUS monitor and I really like it.

Asrock, I looked at the extreme 4 or 6 and I can't remember now. There was some good reviews out and looked like a nice board

Now the Intel z68 series Gigabyte board, from the percentage of people having problems ( i read on newegg forum and looked into on google) with a start-up loop with the OS. I think I would avoid that series like the plague.

Go pick out your ASUS MB.....coming in this forum your just going to get varied opinions, because of someones bad experience or because they just don't like it or because somebody else didn't like it so they don't like it.

Good Luck on your build.