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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #120 on: January 08, 2013, 11:47:56 PM »
What, two picks? :rolleyes:

Let's drop him in this as I know how good he is... and I know how good you are.  :)


Shane was owning good sticks when Bruv was still and ack hugger... yes, I know it hurts, but when I first met bruv, he was an ack weenie, would not fight at all... so step down midtwit, nobody who has seen shane fight and seen you fight believes you "pwned" him in any sense of the word... we've seen your definition of "pwn" and you're clueless! :aok

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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #121 on: January 08, 2013, 11:49:18 PM »
You can go through the stats like I did, yeah, I did, just to be sure. I actually only thought it was once. The one I recall was me being above in a bounce situation on his solo 109.  He knew I was there and tried an evasive that I generally expect. It was over quick and my first thought was, "oh, that's bruv?"  :headscratch:  I may even have film.

The second one I don't remember, probably because the first was so unremarkable.   :neener:

The environment cannot be removed, right? It's a conflict of your own logic when you try to discount them as being "likely picks."  At least was 1 v 1. 1 - 0.

Simple numbers.  2 - 0,  1 - 0, take your pick. Totality of pwnage, Midway style, well except I didn't HO him.  :noid


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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #122 on: January 08, 2013, 11:54:16 PM »
You're annoying Midway. plain and simple. The chest thumping don't cut it with me. You don't see the majority of this community doing that do you? I'm always willing for a good dogfight, just check the ego at the door. A little friendly razzing is one thing, but your constant pwn this and pwd that gets old quick and no one likes a bragger. You change your attitude towards your approach to this game and the folks in it, and you'll be Aokay in my book. Until that times comes you'll just be a plain annoying kid with visions of grandeur to me.  


Yes SkyRock is a chest thumping bragger but I overlook him as he is clinically insane.
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #123 on: January 09, 2013, 12:23:54 AM »
p-51 is a great airplane. It takes some time to master and one can be very successful dog fighting with it. Yes, I mean turn and burn with it. There have been some great sticks through the annals of AH history who have flown it with great success. While I am not one of them nor do I know how, it has been done. The notion that it is good for pick-and-run tactics is BS and exemplifies the laziness/ignorance of the pilot.

THAT BEING SAID, the way it is flown gives it a bad name, and that is a shame.
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #124 on: January 09, 2013, 12:26:13 AM »
heh he said 'annals'...
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« Reply #125 on: January 09, 2013, 12:49:31 AM »
Yeah, that's right, you just got your rear handed to you by a fuggly puppet!
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #127 on: January 09, 2013, 05:48:49 AM »
What, two picks? :rolleyes:

Let's drop him in this as I know how good he is... and I know how good you are.  :)

Now, way more than nuffs been said on this and back to the original topic at hand.  :bhead



Staying on part of the erroneous perception portion of this thread...

I was looking for some p-51 films from when I played last. Guess what? I stumbled upon some films of myself and Bruv in the DA - which I recall now.  He was in MA, asked if anyone wanted to DA, I said sure. There was no ego involved, no grudge, just two guys wanting to spend some time in the DA. Probably some curiousity on my part to see what he "had" and some on his part when he saw it was me who took up his offer.

We flew 10 fights: 109g14, spit9x3, ki-61, yak9u, f6fx2 and p47mx2

They were fun fights.

What do you think the results were?  Was pwnage involved?

I'll post the zip file with all the films after you answer.  :aok  There are a few things to learn from the films.  Perhaps someone like batfink will step up and break 'em down - I'm too lazy.   :old:




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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #128 on: January 09, 2013, 06:13:13 AM »
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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #129 on: January 09, 2013, 06:53:50 AM »
Now which one is Midway as he pwns,pawnage,ownz all of us.   :lol




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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #130 on: January 09, 2013, 07:16:36 AM »
Staying on part of the erroneous perception portion of this thread...

I was looking for some p-51 films from when I played last. Guess what? I stumbled upon some films of myself and Bruv in the DA - which I recall now.  He was in MA, asked if anyone wanted to DA, I said sure. There was no ego involved, no grudge, just two guys wanting to spend some time in the DA. Probably some curiousity on my part to see what he "had" and some on his part when he saw it was me who took up his offer.

We flew 10 fights: 109g14, spit9x3, ki-61, yak9u, f6fx2 and p47mx2

They were fun fights.

What do you think the results were?  Was pwnage involved?

I'll post the zip file with all the films after you answer.  :aok  There are a few things to learn from the films.  Perhaps someone like batfink will step up and break 'em down - I'm too lazy.   :old:


Your old films can not change the fact that I can tell how good someone is by fighting them dozens of, and in the case of the two of you well over a hundred, times each.  There is zero doubt in my mind based on first hand experience as to your fighting prowess inferiority to the double TOC champion. :rock

No doubt, zero, none, nada, nil. :aok

After all, I downed you, by your own admission, over a third of the time myself. :ahand

I have no such chance with Bruv... yet.  I am but a toy to the likes of Bruv, Grizz, and pervert. :cry :confused:

Now just accept facts and truth and that I'm right... as usual... m'kay?  You may :cry with me if that helps you accept said truth.  :)

And quit making me re-splain facts over and over to you... this thread's topic is ponies. :bhead

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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #131 on: January 09, 2013, 07:27:23 AM »
You're annoying Midway. plain and simple. The chest thumping don't cut it with me. You don't see the majority of this community doing that do you? I'm always willing for a good dogfight, just check the ego at the door. A little friendly razzing is one thing, but your constant pwn this and pwd that gets old quick and no one likes a bragger. You change your attitude towards your approach to this game and the folks in it, and you'll be Aokay in my book. Until that times comes you'll just be a plain annoying kid with visions of grandeur to me.  


Yes SkyRock is a chest thumping bragger but I overlook him as he is clinically insane.

I agree, that is why he is "ignored" here (he never says anything worth wile ) and "squelched" as soon as I see he's on in the game. As a cartoon pilot he's fun to fly against as long as he refrains from HOin, but it is the non-stop belittlement of everyone that I won't tolerate.

I don't know if he is a "pimply faced kid" or not, but I do know that if he acted like he does on the internet around here he would be a "bruised faced kid". Real people just don't put up with that kind of dis-respect and stupidity. 

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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #132 on: January 09, 2013, 07:34:06 AM »
First of all, who made the rule that in order to be a good 51 jockey you have to fight a certain way? Saying, "oh the 51 guy is good until he loses the advantage, then extends", is like saying the Brewster or Sptfire pilot is good until he loses the advantage, then he turns!  :bhead I just don't get that argument.

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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #133 on: January 09, 2013, 08:16:36 AM »
Your old films can not change the fact that I can tell how good someone is by fighting them dozens of, and in the case of the two of you well over a hundred, times each.  There is zero doubt in my mind based on first hand experience as to your fighting prowess inferiority to the double TOC champion. :rock

No doubt, zero, none, nada, nil. :aok

After all, I downed you, by your own admission, over a third of the time myself. :ahand

I have no such chance with Bruv... yet.  I am but a toy to the likes of Bruv, Grizz, and pervert. :cry :confused:

Now just accept facts and truth and that I'm right... as usual... m'kay?  You may :cry with me if that helps you accept said truth.  :)

And quit making me re-splain facts over and over to you... this thread's topic is ponies. :bhead

These aren't "old" films by any means... they happened in dec/jan 2011/12 right near the end of my latest in-game time.

In the MA bruv has had no chance with me. You have - you got your licks (but you still primarily suck.) The fact you have no success vs some players indicates that a) it's all in your head in conjunction with b) you don't currently possess the skills/talent.

This is where you make me  :rolleyes: :bhead  People keep offering you the opportunity and suggestions on how to acquire said skills (you'tre still lacking on the talent part) that will allow you to get your licks in on them with less sucking involved.

Fine, do it the hard way, your way, but by the time you acquire those mad skillz, Bruv will most likely have long moved on to another game and will just be lurking on the BBS watching in amusement the latest crop of players who allowed you in their heads.

You really should ask me to post the films for you. You might miss this part, tho' - when I won, I won quick. A substantial number of my deaths only occurred after an extended scissors, teh outcome of which might have been different if I had rudder pedals. Youll see me ask, "you using stall limiter?" in one of the early films because I wasn't seeing the usual slow speed wobbles that I deal with and often see others as well. He said no, of course. Then I figured out and asked, pedals?  Yep.

Those pedals are what is getting you killed so quickly when you face Bruv and possibly Debrody if he has pedals, if not, then whatever he uses he has good rudder conrol.

Huh?  :headscratch:

That mystery move? It's nothing more that a finely honed and timed rudder kick at the top of a yo-yo, scissors or overshoot sometimes accompanied by a tail-slide. A very common move you see with 109's in particular and with certain pilots in certain planes - lepape is a good example of the extreme, and grizz does it very well without the blantant tailslide.

What you're seeing is their plane in your up (or up/back)-right/left view, nose away as you're closing, and as you lose e or position (from an overshoot), that rudder kick gets them right on you and dead.  Hard to defend if you're not expecting it. Hard even if you are becuase it requires a gamble. I don't generally use that move much because no pedals and using a twisty for rudder requires a scaling/damping setting on my end that is detrimental to my overall flying. I don't want to be a "one-trick pony" <--- on topic!!  At times I have called both Bruv (in those DA films) and Joach1m out for relying on that move too much.

I'll save you a bit of time  it was 4-6 in Bruv's favor which makes us a confirmed 6-6 overall MA/DA - evened up.  Now the question is, how do you think the wins were distributed across that planeset?

Does bruv have better aim than me? You bet! Does he fly well in crowds, especially with others? You bet! Can he handle himself 1 v 1? Sure.  I'd put him up there in my personal ranking, but I have also experienced better pilots. Bear in mind, my passion in '08 and '11 was nowhere near the level when I was in my "prime." I also flew a lot more laidback in terms of k/h. I still flew aggressive, I just didn't hang around big furballs  very much (gfx card struggles - I'm always behind the curve, lol, which is why I've been a lone-wolf on the edges.)

One can make the argument that Bruv is still in his "prime" and the fact that I did as well against him is saying something. My weight of experience vs "top sticks" far outweighs yours.

I'm not knocking bruv here - he's very good. Nor am I trying to knock him off the pedestal you've placed him -  I am trying to show you that perceptions are nothing, and everything.

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Re: P-51 vs. Erroneous Perception
« Reply #134 on: January 09, 2013, 08:19:45 AM »
First of all, who made the rule that in order to be a good 51 jockey you have to fight a certain way? Saying, "oh the 51 guy is good until he loses the advantage, then extends", is like saying the Brewster or Sptfire pilot is good until he loses the advantage, then he turns!  :bhead I just don't get that argument.
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