we need this and pics to prove!!!!jap buffalo skin and PBYs.... on a CV pic!

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arent they float planes...

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arent they float planes...

A float plane is an ordinary airplane equipped with floats instead of wheels.  A flying boat is built around a single hull that acts as the plane's fuselage and is also able to float and maneuver on the water.

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[Changeup]

I have no idea why so many people 1) think the 180mph PBY would be awesome and 2) equate it to an aquatic Storch.

I have no idea why so many people believe, "I, therefore you" is a good way to make friends and influence people.  PBYs could be given the same distance view advantage of CVs, a/c, and GVs that Storchs have of GVs.  Recon, pilot rescue and resupply.

Pilot goes down with 6 kills, PBY picks him up....pilot gives half his kills to the PBY driver or something like that.  I'd do it for someone if they called it out, especially a squadmate that just went 1 v 8 and got 4 of them.

[Karnak]

Pilot goes down with 6 kills, PBY picks him up....pilot gives half his kills to the PBY driver or something like that.  I'd do it for someone if they called it out, especially a squadmate that just went 1 v 8 and got 4 of them.

This would be actively bad for the game.

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This would be actively bad for the game.

Of course it would be.  I should have listened to you.  It's so stupid of me to actually think differently than you.

[Karnak]

Of course it would be.  I should have listened to you.  It's so stupid of me to actually think differently than you.

Ok, seeing as you haven't thought beyond the "this would be neat" stage, I'll explain.

When you think of something you'd like to have in the game, try to think of both good and bad consequences that it might have on the game.

In this case you might say that the good consequence would be that it would bring a new gameplay element.

The rest of the idea gets complicated and messy in what it would do.
1) It would encourage a player to sit on a hillside, or on the water, for about 30 minutes waiting for another player to pick them up. In both cases those players have functionally been removed from the game as far as providing adversaries go.  This is bad.
2) The transferring kills bit doesn't make any sense, so I'll interpret that to functionally meaning a transfer of half the perk points earned by the guy who bailed out.  This could be gamed to transfer perk points from one player to another.  This can be good or bad depending on your personal opinion, though I suspect it is bad from HTC's perspective or else they'd have implemented a perk exchange system long ago.

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Here's the ridiculous part.  Ok....now hold on because this might be tough:

1.  People only have to wait if someone says they're actually coming to pick them up.  And here's the best part.  They don't have to wait if they don't want to!  Novel isn't it?  It's a game and its up to people how they play it....it's not up to you to decide what may or may not be fun or challenging or good for the game.  It's up to the other 2000 subscribers too.  If you don't like it, don't do it.  Much like storch driving...you won't find many storch pilots in the Muppets, lol.  But they haven't mailed HiTech to tell him it's bad for the game.  People sit in tanks ALL freakin day waiting on someone to spawn.  Your objection by means of removing players from the game is ridiculous

2.  Recon?  You didn't answer.  Resupply CVs?  No repo we so ill take the silence as its ok

3.  The point system wouldn't be worth manipulating because of the time required to pick someone up.  Besides, if its that much of an issue, if you get rescued, you get no perks....there are a thousand possible solutions to the perk issue.  There aren't 1000 ways to take big risks in-game for fun....like landing a sector from a CV battle to rescue someone while you're close to a CV-port furball.

The game is for fun....nothing else.  If you don't think it's fun, don't do it. 

[Karnak]

Here's the ridiculous part.  Ok....now hold on because this might be tough:

1.  People only have to wait if someone says they're actually coming to pick them up.  And here's the best part.  They don't have to wait if they don't want to!  Novel isn't it?  It's a game and its up to people how they play it....it's not up to you to decide what may or may not be fun or challenging or good for the game.  It's up to the other 2000 subscribers too.  If you don't like it, don't do it.  Much like storch driving...you won't find many storch pilots in the Muppets, lol.  But they haven't mailed HiTech to tell him it's bad for the game.  People sit in tanks ALL freakin day waiting on someone to spawn.  Your objection by means of removing players from the game is ridiculous

It is bad for the game to reward people for not participating in the game.  Sitting on a hillside is not participating.  If it were to be implemented with no reward attached, just something to do for roleplay, fine, but nobody who asks for it does so without coupling it with a carrot to reward people for sitting and doing nothing for 30-60 minutes.

2.  Recon?  You didn't answer.

Why would you use a 180mph plane to do recon work?  Why not take a P-51D?  Or, if you want to attach it to an actual recon aircraft, an Ar234 or Mosquito Mk XVI?  All of those aircraft move far faster and will cover a lot more ground.
 

Resupply CVs?

Because it is laughably absurd.  You're not going to resupply a 40,000 ton ship that has had holes punched in its inches thick armor with a flying boat that can carry 4,000lbs.

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I have no idea why so many people believe, "I, therefore you" is a good way to make friends and influence people.  PBYs could be given the same distance view advantage of CVs, a/c, and GVs that Storchs have of GVs.  Recon, pilot rescue and resupply.

You'd also have to give that feature to planes like the B-17 and B-24 as those were also used regularly as patrol/scout planes like the PBY was. 

Pilot goes down with 6 kills, PBY picks him up....pilot gives half his kills to the PBY driver or something like that.  I'd do it for someone if they called it out, especially a squadmate that just went 1 v 8 and got 4 of them.

What if the pilot was shot down over land?  The PBY-5A (the amphibious version capable of taking off and landing on land) weren't short field capable when landing or taking off from surface runways.  They'd only be useful for recovering pilots that bailed out over water.  The Storch would be better capable of doing pilot rescues on land.

Having said that, I don't believe having SAR capabilities brings anything new or useful to the game and it's pretty much a wish for those that play for score that don't want to take a hit for bailing out.

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[Changeup]

You'd also have to give that feature to planes like the B-17 and B-24 as those were also used regularly as patrol/scout planes like the PBY was. 


What if the pilot was shot down over land?  The PBY-5A (the amphibious version capable of taking off and landing on land) weren't short field capable when landing or taking off from surface runways.  They'd only be useful for recovering pilots that bailed out over water.  The Storch would be better capable of doing pilot rescues on land.

Having said that, I don't believe having SAR capabilities brings anything new or useful to the game and it's pretty much a wish for those that play for score that don't want to take a hit for bailing out.

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I would just do it for the Medal of Honor achievement award that Skuzzy and I are working on.  I can only say I think it would be a blast doing rescues every now and then and you aren't taking anyone out of the game.  They're still on the game and they are still presenting a target.  Where do you get this stuff karnak?

[Karnak]

A guy sitting on a hillside is not a target.  A guy slowly flying his Fi156 or PBY-5 to some empty sector, empty other than the guy sitting on the hillside, is not a target.

Neither guy has to be a target, they can also be aggressors in fighters, or flying bombers on strike ops or any of the other things they can do in the game now.

You put a reward in for sitting on a hillside doing nothing but waiting for rescue and you will see players doing so and begging for rescuers to come save their score or perks or whatever.

You put no reward on doing so and nobody will do it.  What does that tell you?  There is no compelling gameplay to be had sitting on a polygonal hillside for 30-60 minutes begging for rescue.

Heck, you can even roleplay that right now if you like.  Bail out, have a friend come land next to you in an Fi156, end your sortie, use the join function to "get into the Fi156" and he flies back.

Nobody does that of course.  It wouldn't be any fun.

Hence every request for a "rescue" function includes the request for outlandish rewards for sitting on a hillside doing nothing.

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A guy sitting on a hillside is not a target.  A guy slowly flying his Fi156 or PBY-5 to some empty sector, empty other than the guy sitting on the hillside, is not a target.

Neither guy has to be a target, they can also be aggressors in fighters, or flying bombers on strike ops or any of the other things they can do in the game now.

You put a reward in for sitting on a hillside doing nothing but waiting for rescue and you will see players doing so and begging for rescuers to come save their score or perks or whatever.

You put no reward on doing so and nobody will do it.  What does that tell you?  There is no compelling gameplay to be had sitting on a polygonal hillside for 30-60 minutes begging for rescue.

Heck, you can even roleplay that right now if you like.  Bail out, have a friend come land next to you in an Fi156, end your sortie, use the join function to "get into the Fi156" and he flies back.

Nobody does that of course.  It wouldn't be any fun.

Hence every request for a "rescue" function includes the request for outlandish rewards for sitting on a hillside doing nothing.

Unfortunately that is a value judgement that you're making for others.  I'm pretty damn sure after playing this game for 6 years that the only people that would use the rescue function would be the same people that sit on the side of a mountain waiting of someone to drive supps to them.  It's the same damn thing.

Hey HTC, enable Storch rescues for a test.  Just see how it goes....my bet is its used for land based rescues.  Then Karnak can grab his crystal ball, hug it, and buy a new one, lol.  I love all you turds that think you can speak for others...and have such tremendous insight into the emotional skill sets of others.  You must be very wealthy if you're accurate....I imagine people will pay top dollar to have someone tell them what they would like to do for fun.

[Karnak]

I have no problem with the rescue function being added if there is no reward beyond changing a "Captured" to a "Bailed".  I have no problem with that because it won't have a negative effect on the game.  As I pointed out, you can even simulate that now as there isn't a score or perk difference between "Captured" and "Bailed".  It won't have a negative effect because nobody will do it.

The problem arises when you add one of the oft suggested carrots to encourage people to sit on a hillside and beg for rescue.  Once that is done it becomes a negative as it takes people out of the combat, which what the game is about.

[Rob52240]

We don't need no stinking ways to rescue downed pilots with any type of plane or vehicle.

For all the same reasons that call of duty has no levels where you must repair trucks or up-armor humvees.

It's like asking hitech to update the barracks so we can get some shut eye and write our girls back home.

[Megalodon]

I think having a PBY would be great.... and I don't see any reason that we couldn't have one. We have ships, boats, lvts & barges.

The PBY finds the Bismark and some very good footage after with some cool catchy tunes  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNqHENNmChU

An excellent documentary with many clips of the "Blackcats"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeeoAurY_aM


These threads have lots of info and some cool pics...Before some of you start with the "It didn't do that" garbage read up.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,258391.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,287002.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,280355.0.html


Flying Boats,