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Re: February FSO: Breaking the Gustav Line - Shingle to Diadem
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2013, 04:30:16 PM »
Jugs should be in the setup. Looks fun and looks like an easy win for the Axis at the moment. Aircraft certainly favors us.

Breaking Gustav in 2010 was one of my favorite setups I have ever played. Very well balanced, fighters favored the Axis but the Allies had those pesky B-26s grrr. Very fun setup and I was expecting the same setup more or less. However this one is far different, may be a time thing. Ill do a little more fishing to find out.
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Re: February FSO: Breaking the Gustav Line - Shingle to Diadem
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2013, 04:35:21 PM »
Here is the 2010 setup: http://ahevents.org/fso-setups/38-mediterranean-theatre/615-breaking-gustav-1944.html

I do not understand why you would throw in the P-40F and leave out the P-47D-11. It would be like giving the Axis a G-2 and not a G-6 lol. Have to say the 2010 version looks more balanced than this one. But, I am sure this event will be amazing. Italy always is. Italian campaign is very balanced by default. Unless you royally screw up, it will be even. In my opinion it is the most balanced campaign we could possibly produce. Im ecstatic and cant wait!

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Re: February FSO: Breaking the Gustav Line - Shingle to Diadem
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2013, 05:57:44 PM »
Here is the 2010 setup: http://ahevents.org/fso-setups/38-mediterranean-theatre/615-breaking-gustav-1944.html

I do not understand why you would throw in the P-40F and leave out the P-47D-11. It would be like giving the Axis a G-2 and not a G-6 lol. Have to say the 2010 version looks more balanced than this one. But, I am sure this event will be amazing. Italy always is. Italian campaign is very balanced by default. Unless you royally screw up, it will be even. In my opinion it is the most balanced campaign we could possibly produce. Im ecstatic and cant wait!



tbh I prefer the G2 over the G6.

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Re: February FSO: Breaking the Gustav Line - Shingle to Diadem
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2013, 06:07:10 PM »
Most 109 dweebs agree. The point he was trying to make is that most P-40 squads had already tranfered into P-47's by this time, as the 109 squads had into the G-6 from the G-2.
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Re: February FSO: Breaking the Gustav Line - Shingle to Diadem
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2013, 01:02:39 PM »

Is it February yet?


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Re: February FSO: Breaking the Gustav Line - Shingle to Diadem
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2013, 01:25:42 PM »
Is it February yet?


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Re: February FSO: Breaking the Gustav Line - Shingle to Diadem
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2013, 03:22:52 PM »
The point he was trying to make is that most P-40 squads had already transferred into P-47's by this time, as the 109 squads had into the G-6 from the G-2.

Absolutely right Devil. The 57th FG's last P-40 mission was flown Jan. 22, 1944. In the 325th FG 317th FS transitioned from P-40's to P-47's in Sept '43, the 318th and 319th FS early October, while they were still stationed in Tunisia~

Even the Tuskegee airmen had abandoned their P-40s by March '44 for P-39 Aircobras briefly before also transitioning to P-47s by June 1944. I'm not even sure what other sqadrons were even still operating P-40s in '44.

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Re: February FSO: Breaking the Gustav Line - Shingle to Diadem
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2013, 04:43:39 PM »
I really like the enthusiasm and civil discussion. Without explaining every little thought and setup aspect I use in my FSO setups I would like to remind everyone reading that sometimes aircraft are intentionally left out of plane sets so focus can be placed on other aircraft or air forces.

This Allied plane set was one of eight different Allied plane sets that I was leaning towards for this setup. It was chosen because I thought it best represented the tactical situation at Anzio and Cassino. This FSO will not represent long escorted strikes into Northern Italy or Yugoslavia. Every one of my 8 Allied sets hinged around a P-40F 24 Minimum, Its what I was trying to focus on.

The 33rd, 79th and 324th FGs were all flying P-40s at the time of the Anzio landing and were heavily involved and they might of ditched them in March but the 99th FS "Tuskegee Airman" were the highest scoring P-40 unit with 16 kills at the end of February. After March the only P-40 unit left was the 324th where for nearly a month straight were flying 100 missions a day to support Allied forces trying to capture the monastery, they would change in there P-40s for P-47s in July.

I know you don't like to hear it Seadog, but the P-47D-11 was literally one of the last planes I decided to cut. In the end the P-38G got added over it. Mainly because the P-38s heavy options. Perhaps maybe, just maybe... Some of the P-40s will slowly transition to P-47s during the next three weeks.  :salute
There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!

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Re: February FSO: Breaking the Gustav Line - Shingle to Diadem
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2013, 04:47:55 PM »
Great explanation Nef.  :aok
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Re: February FSO: Breaking the Gustav Line - Shingle to Diadem
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2013, 06:22:46 PM »
I really like the enthusiasm and civil discussion. Without explaining every little thought and setup aspect I use in my FSO setups I would like to remind everyone reading that sometimes aircraft are intentionally left out of plane sets so focus can be placed on other aircraft or air forces.

This Allied plane set was one of eight different Allied plane sets that I was leaning towards for this setup. It was chosen because I thought it best represented the tactical situation at Anzio and Cassino. This FSO will not represent long escorted strikes into Northern Italy or Yugoslavia. Every one of my 8 Allied sets hinged around a P-40F 24 Minimum, Its what I was trying to focus on.

The 33rd, 79th and 324th FGs were all flying P-40s at the time of the Anzio landing and were heavily involved and they might of ditched them in March but the 99th FS "Tuskegee Airman" were the highest scoring P-40 unit with 16 kills at the end of February. After March the only P-40 unit left was the 324th where for nearly a month straight were flying 100 missions a day to support Allied forces trying to capture the monastery, they would change in there P-40s for P-47s in July.

Very true, P-40's Did surprisingly well against 109's in that arena, and the 325th had the highest kill to loss rate (shot down 128 enemy planes, to its own loss of 26) in that match up in the earlier Sicilian campaign.

I know you don't like to hear it Seadog, but the P-47D-11 was literally one of the last planes I decided to cut. In the end the P-38G got added over it. Mainly because the P-38s heavy options. Perhaps maybe, just maybe... Some of the P-40s will slowly transition to P-47s during the next three weeks.

You can count on me to be a squeaky wheel for D-11's every time. If we had hard point equipped Razorback D-15's in the game, that would have filled your jabo criteria. One always learn something researching these setups~ in the meantime I'll keep my fingers crossed for fame 3, and practice in the P-40F for next Friday :salute
A few Italian theater pictures to whet the appetite:
86th FG escorting B-26s

Early 57th FG Near Foggia southern Italy

Corsica 57th FG jug (we have this skin in the game)

Tuskegee Jug, 57th FG hand me down D-23

Free French Razorback Alto, Corsica

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Re: February FSO: Breaking the Gustav Line - Shingle to Diadem
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2013, 09:55:56 AM »
I really like the enthusiasm and civil discussion. Without explaining every little thought and setup aspect I use in my FSO setups I would like to remind everyone reading that sometimes aircraft are intentionally left out of plane sets so focus can be placed on other aircraft or air forces.

This Allied plane set was one of eight different Allied plane sets that I was leaning towards for this setup. It was chosen because I thought it best represented the tactical situation at Anzio and Cassino. This FSO will not represent long escorted strikes into Northern Italy or Yugoslavia. Every one of my 8 Allied sets hinged around a P-40F 24 Minimum, Its what I was trying to focus on.

The 33rd, 79th and 324th FGs were all flying P-40s at the time of the Anzio landing and were heavily involved and they might of ditched them in March but the 99th FS "Tuskegee Airman" were the highest scoring P-40 unit with 16 kills at the end of February. After March the only P-40 unit left was the 324th where for nearly a month straight were flying 100 missions a day to support Allied forces trying to capture the monastery, they would change in there P-40s for P-47s in July.

I know you don't like to hear it Seadog, but the P-47D-11 was literally one of the last planes I decided to cut. In the end the P-38G got added over it. Mainly because the P-38s heavy options. Perhaps maybe, just maybe... Some of the P-40s will slowly transition to P-47s during the next three weeks.  :salute

You guys are getting good at this. I must be doing something right. Keep it up CM's!
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Re: February FSO: Breaking the Gustav Line - Shingle to Diadem
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2013, 06:26:56 AM »
Wow, last night was a blast! Judging from the carnage in the logs it looked pretty close.

Well done! :salute


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Re: February FSO: Breaking the Gustav Line - Shingle to Diadem
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2013, 08:11:56 AM »
Na, it wasnt anything remotely similar to "close."

Fun fight though.
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Re: February FSO: Breaking the Gustav Line - Shingle to Diadem
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2013, 09:40:08 AM »
Kills and assists were very close. Axis crushed on objects destroyed tho.

Really fun times tho.  Can't wait till next week.  :salute :bolt:

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Re: February FSO: Breaking the Gustav Line - Shingle to Diadem
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2013, 12:57:57 PM »
Kills and assists were very close. Axis crushed on objects destroyed tho.

Really fun times tho.  Can't wait till next week.  :salute :bolt:

Axis   134 pilots 122 kills/264 objects destryed
Allies  159 pilots 124 kills/65 objects destroyed   :old: