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Re: Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2013, 03:48:46 AM »
I'm sure a country that has the tec to develop a nuke also has scientist that could develop a descant fighter jet. The F-14's are useless. But think of what they could have learned from examining them. I noticed a lot of people severely underestimating iran. Ever think there is a reason they DO NOT get along with the arab country's but only Iraq ever had the balls to attack them? North Vietnam could not beat us. Japan could never hit us here at home. And the towers could handle an impact from a passenger jet. Never underestimate anyone. And read the clip again. It does not say they are producing the fighter. It's still being designed. And how much help from China and russia are they getting that we may not know about. Don't forget. Those are irans allies. It never seams to surprise me how little people actually research things before they speak on them

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Re: Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane
« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2013, 04:04:01 AM »
A conventional army loses if it doesn't win. A guerrilla army wins if it doesn't lose.
How did North Vietnam not succeed? They weren't attacking US soil, they defended their home soil and after countless thousands of casualties on both sides, both military and civilian, billions of dollars spent, and the US finally exiting the conflict with the last man scrambling onto a rope ladder from a huey, whilst the north was essentially unaffected. Doesn't sound like my definition of a win. :old:
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Re: Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane
« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2013, 04:07:33 AM »
Just re read your post and realised you were being ironic :bolt:
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Re: Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2013, 05:09:28 AM »
The way to win a war is to kill lots and lots of civilians. We did not win against North Vietnam because we chose not flatten all of the cities.

I'm sure a country that has the tec to develop a nuke also has scientist that could develop a descant fighter jet. The F-14's are useless. But think of what they could have learned from examining them. I noticed a lot of people severely underestimating iran. Ever think there is a reason they DO NOT get along with the arab country's but only Iraq ever had the balls to attack them? North Vietnam could not beat us. Japan could never hit us here at home. And the towers could handle an impact from a passenger jet. Never underestimate anyone. And read the clip again. It does not say they are producing the fighter. It's still being designed. And how much help from China and russia are they getting that we may not know about. Don't forget. Those are irans allies. It never seams to surprise me how little people actually research things before they speak on them



You'd think for a fighter being researched they would have researched how to build a cockpit big enough so they could actually close the lid with a full size person in there.
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Re: Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane
« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2013, 09:29:16 AM »
I'm sure a country that has the tec to develop a nuke also has scientist that could develop a descant fighter jet. The F-14's are useless. But think of what they could have learned from examining them. I noticed a lot of people severely underestimating iran. Ever think there is a reason they DO NOT get along with the arab country's but only Iraq ever had the balls to attack them? North Vietnam could not beat us. Japan could never hit us here at home. And the towers could handle an impact from a passenger jet. Never underestimate anyone. And read the clip again. It does not say they are producing the fighter. It's still being designed. And how much help from China and russia are they getting that we may not know about. Don't forget. Those are irans allies. It never seams to surprise me how little people actually research things before they speak on them



Untrue, the towers were never built to withstand an impact from a wide-bodied aircraft.
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Re: Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane
« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2013, 09:42:59 AM »
Squat, even if you take them seriously any new fighter they produce is at least ten years away. Probably more. Even countries with a proven record of combat aircraft production take a long time to develop them to the point where they enter service. The F22 and the Typhoon were at least twenty years in development. Then there's the F35.

Meanwhile we have the Iranians telling us they are developing a stealth fighter without all the background and experience to be found in the US aerospace industry. Don't think for one minute either the Russians or Chinese are going to hand over their secrets.

I think many people are stuck in the past in their understanding of how modern jet fighters or attack aircraft are developed. Sure anyone can design an airplane. My six year is pretty good at it. But that's a long way from producing an integrated weapon system. It's a massively complex process. It's not like the days when the P51 was designed in weeks.

With all due respect to the Iranians' capabilities. They cannot simply leapfrog all the amassed knowledge hard won by other countries. It's a pure fantasy project.

Beside how can you take it seriously when the mock up is so shoddily built and looks like a high school project.  :banana:

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Re: Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane
« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2013, 10:31:57 AM »
You think NV was "uneffected"? We bombed the place to smithereeens, essentually forcing them to make peace. A peace deal they broke as soon as our forces mostly left. NV was basically bombed into a pre-Industrial age country. Had we not restricted our bombing operations for so many years things would have turned out different.


A conventional army loses if it doesn't win. A guerrilla army wins if it doesn't lose.
How did North Vietnam not succeed? They weren't attacking US soil, they defended their home soil and after countless thousands of casualties on both sides, both military and civilian, billions of dollars spent, and the US finally exiting the conflict with the last man scrambling onto a rope ladder from a huey, whilst the north was essentially unaffected. Doesn't sound like my definition of a win. :old:
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Re: Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane
« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2013, 11:14:56 AM »
You think NV was "uneffected"? We bombed the place to smithereeens, essentually forcing them to make peace. A peace deal they broke as soon as our forces mostly left. NV was basically bombed into a pre-Industrial age country. Had we not restricted our bombing operations for so many years things would have turned out different.



Unrestricted bombing didnt work against London, or against Germany, or for that matter against Japan unless you consider the Nuclear option, and that required 2!.
Are you seriously suggesting that NV sued for peace and the US  won?  If so then not wishing any disrespect you have been deluded.
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Re: Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane
« Reply #68 on: February 08, 2013, 12:28:01 PM »
The Linebacker II raids in 1972 forced the North Vietnamese back to the negotiation table.

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Re: Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane
« Reply #69 on: February 08, 2013, 12:31:15 PM »
I wonder how many of these it would take to get to the base of a mountain from the summit.



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Re: Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane
« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2013, 12:38:35 PM »
The Linebacker II raids in 1972 forced the North Vietnamese back to the negotiation table.

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OK. And why not. They were desperate to negotiate because the war was going so badly for them
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Re: Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane
« Reply #71 on: February 08, 2013, 01:29:11 PM »
I wonder how many of these it would take to get to the base of a mountain from the summit.

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Re: Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane
« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2013, 01:34:50 PM »
cpxxs hit the nail on the head.  A modern military aircraft is a system of systems, and integrating them in even a more conventional aircraft is beyond the capabilities of all but a few industrial nations.  On a low-observable aircraft, it's doubly difficult.  The USAF spent untold millions of dollars and thousands of hours in super-computer time just to develop the radome on the nose of the F-22.  The mockup pictured in the news article, even if it was a full-sized, high quality model (which it is not) would be nothing more than a stage prop.  As it is, it's neither of those, and looks all the world like an up-scaled GI Joe toy (I believe some mentioned this earlier).  It is not stealthy (you'll have to take my word that I know something about this) at even the most basic level, let alone at the multiple levels that go beyond simply geometric shape. Metallurgy, computer hardware and software, electromagnet computational capability, composite materials engineering...the list goes on and on, and all of it needing to be integrated (systems engineering on steroids) into a functional weapons system. Designing and building a basic atom bomb is actually easier, particularly if you're only trying to make a couple.  This Iranian project is pure propaganda, and likely intended for internal or at best, regional consumption.
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Re: Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane
« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2013, 04:27:41 PM »
I don't think they could see their wingman out of that plexiglass neverless a modern aircraft carrier...  I see the headline now, "Swarm of Iranian jets inadvertently kamikazee China's new carrier on maiden voyage into gulf, carrier mistaken for intended Disney ruise ship nearby".
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Re: Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane
« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2013, 04:48:23 PM »
I'm sure a country that has the tec to develop a nuke also has scientist that could develop a descant fighter jet.


Have you seen their domestically produced "fighter" the Saeqeh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Saeqeh

Their best effort thus far is a knock off a 50 year old U.S. design.  I don't think we'll have to worry about a sky full of Iranian super stealth tie fighters for a while.
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