Iran unveils newest domestic, fighter plane

[Saxman]

Have you seen their domestically produced "fighter" the Saeqeh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Saeqeh

Their best effort thus far is a knock off a 50 year old U.S. design.  I don't think we'll have to worry about a sky full of Iranian super stealth tie fighters for a while.

Heh, I wonder if the Blue Angels can sue them for copyright infringement. 

[Babalonian]

Heh, I wonder if the Blue Angels can sue them for copyright infringement. 

"Mimicry is the highest form of flattery."

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

OK. And why not. They were desperate to negotiate because the war was going so badly for them

So i suppose Germany & Japan also won because they were forced to the negotiation table after being defeated.


The thought process...wow.


Anyhow like others have said before, we would be foolish to think another human being cannot do what we have done, doesn't matter if its 50 years late, or 10 years from now. Stealth is just a new way of making aircraft, once the general idea and concept is fully understood it will be used in any object from a missile to a bomb to a bridge that you don't want bouncing radar waves back from.

Even now korea iran and other nations are sending things into space, building nukes and all kinds of 20th century tech, and more. And they are not going to stop, they will never stop.

http://aviationintel.com/2011/10/12/america-needs-a-heavy-stealth-revolution/


^^^^ Interesting read, i hope someone can enjoy it. ^^^^

[Mano]

I think we have seen that design before.










 

[SQUAT!]

Untrue, the towers were never built to withstand an impact from a wide-bodied aircraft.

I'm sure more info about the subject can be found easily. But read up on a subject before speaking on it 

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19930227&slug=1687698

Squat, even if you take them seriously any new fighter they produce is at least ten years away. Probably more. Even countries with a proven record of combat aircraft production take a long time to develop them to the point where they enter service. The F22 and the Typhoon were at least twenty years in development. Then there's the F35.

Meanwhile we have the Iranians telling us they are developing a stealth fighter without all the background and experience to be found in the US aerospace industry. Don't think for one minute either the Russians or Chinese are going to hand over their secrets.

I think many people are stuck in the past in their understanding of how modern jet fighters or attack aircraft are developed. Sure anyone can design an airplane. My six year is pretty good at it. But that's a long way from producing an integrated weapon system. It's a massively complex process. It's not like the days when the P51 was designed in weeks.

With all due respect to the Iranians' capabilities. They cannot simply leapfrog all the amassed knowledge hard won by other countries. It's a pure fantasy project.

Beside how can you take it seriously when the mock up is so shoddily built and looks like a high school project.  

Give up there secrets no. But help them develop a fighter? Very likely. After all they have plenty of oil to use towards bargaining with russia and china. And 20 year old jet tech can still be a threat today. Iran should not be underestimated at all. History has shown that the enemy you underestimate is the one that hits you hardest. Is that jet a propaganda scheme?  Probably. But to underestimate irans capability's could land us in trouble.

[Anodizer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtqy4DTHGqg

Meh........

[danny76]

So i suppose Germany & Japan also won because they were forced to the negotiation table after being defeated.


The thought process...wow.


Anyhow like others have said before, we would be foolish to think another human being cannot do what we have done, doesn't matter if its 50 years late, or 10 years from now. Stealth is just a new way of making aircraft, once the general idea and concept is fully understood it will be used in any object from a missile to a bomb to a bridge that you don't want bouncing radar waves back from.

Even now korea iran and other nations are sending things into space, building nukes and all kinds of 20th century tech, and more. And they are not going to stop, they will never stop.

http://aviationintel.com/2011/10/12/america-needs-a-heavy-stealth-revolution/


^^^^ Interesting read, i hope someone can enjoy it. ^^^^

The difference being that Japan and Germany wanted to surrender, they were finished militarily. America wanted negotiation to sue for peace because the war had become unwinnable.

Not sure the derogatory "thought process" comment was warranted but then that is what is now expected practice rather than having a reasonable conversation.

[cpxxx]

Discussion of the twin towers risks spinning off into conspiracy theory territory. But while the Seattle Times article is interesting and prescient, two things are clear. They were not designed to withstand a hit from a wide body aircraft a 707 which isn't widebody. Secondly they got it wrong, neither stood up to a hit.

As for Iran's toy plane. Sabre put it much better than me. I do find it strange that even on a website of aviation enthusiasts as many of us are. That there is such a complete lack of appreciation of the sheer complexity of producing military aircraft. If it was that easy why is it that so few countries are in the business? It's as if people are stuck back in the 1940s in terms of their appreciation of military hardware and software.

The 'Saeqeh' Iran's previous effort is clearly what it is. A rip off and development of the F5. It's a nice airframe. But airfame counts for little in the modern era. It's what's under the skin that counts.

That doesn't even consider the sheer costs involved. If Iran was a more open country it's government would cancel anything like that. It is simply unaffordable. I suspect Iran's aerospace industry keeps itself going either by pretending it has the capability to compete with the big powers or simply that it goes along with with madder fantasies of it's theocratic government who clearly have no idea of the real complexities involved.

[Rob52240]

Discussion of the twin towers risks spinning off into conspiracy theory territory. But while the Seattle Times article is interesting and prescient, two things are clear. They were not designed to withstand a hit from a wide body aircraft a 707 which isn't widebody. Secondly they got it wrong, neither stood up to a hit.

As for Iran's toy plane. Sabre put it much better than me. I do find it strange that even on a website of aviation enthusiasts as many of us are. That there is such a complete lack of appreciation of the sheer complexity of producing military aircraft. If it was that easy why is it that so few countries are in the business? It's as if people are stuck back in the 1940s in terms of their appreciation of military hardware and software.

The 'Saeqeh' Iran's previous effort is clearly what it is. A rip off and development of the F5. It's a nice airframe. But airfame counts for little in the modern era. It's what's under the skin that counts.

That doesn't even consider the sheer costs involved. If Iran was a more open country it's government would cancel anything like that. It is simply unaffordable. I suspect Iran's aerospace industry keeps itself going either by pretending it has the capability to compete with the big powers or simply that it goes along with with madder fantasies of it's theocratic government who clearly have no idea of the real complexities involved.

Take a look at that plane and tell me where they could have possibly left room for weapons and fuel.  The wings look proportionally smaller than those on the F-105 Ground Nail.

The videos are a hoax, the plane is a hoax and the Iranian government is about as trustworthy as a Spike TV documentary.

[kilo2]

"Mimicry is the highest form of flattery."

I think the quote is "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

[stealth]

I'm a student in school and in my JROTC we have this weekly aviation news thing that 2 kids do each Monday. When my class commander came up and had this little story about Iran's new fighter. Some of the class was in like none belief and brought up it looks just like the F-22, including the teacher. Personally I almost giggled a little bit and thought it had a closer resemblance to some type of toaster, but oh well. Anyway the presentation pretty much ended in Iran is getting more deadly fighter technology and that they are a serious threat.

Now what do you guys think of that?

[cpxxx]

Well they convinced some high school kids. 

But I'm sure your class would have come up with a better design and built a better model.

[B4Buster]

I'm sure more info about the subject can be found easily. But read up on a subject before speaking on it  

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19930227&slug=1687698

I extend that invitation to you sir.  

Discussion of the twin towers risks spinning off into conspiracy theory territory. But while the Seattle Times article is interesting and prescient, two things are clear. They were not designed to withstand a hit from a wide body aircraft a 707 which isn't widebody.

I'm not here to discuss the demise of the twin towers, but I wanted to point out your incorrect statement. (See above quote from cpxx)

[Megalodon]

IIRC, they've been pretty much mothballed since they can't get any replacement parts nor manufacture the parts they need.  I know there were a few arrests of people trying to smuggle in parts for the Tomcat to the Iranians during the '80s and '90s.  It's also the reason why the USN butchered and chopped up the F-14s that were retired to prevent any parts from falling into Iranian hands.

During the mid-80s though, the Iranians did try to modify a Hawk SAM missile to be carried on their F-14s since I guess they couldn't get their Phoenix missiles to work.

Iranian F-14 with modified Hawk SAM missile attached.
(Image removed from quote.)

ack-ack

10 years before that when the contract for 80 F-14 was struck. My father was working for Hughes AC and helped design the Phoenix missile system. We had four pilots come stay with us  Mede, Ali, Kazaam and Mohamed. They were here receiving training at MiraMar for that very system.

Most likely they could not get any parts or munitions after the hostage situation in 79 for anything...

Edit: plus the overthrow of the Shaw didn't help..

[USRanger]

So, Iran has a new fighter.  That's cute.