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Offline MrRiplEy[H]

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Re: A C47 with real kills.
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2013, 10:08:33 AM »
The reason the German air crews surrendered is irrelevant. The fact is they surrendered to this C-47 and that is considered a victory. How many guns and of what caliber the Stukas had is of no matter because they decided not to use them.

So with your logic when 'the war is over' at MA the winning side should score kills from all the remaining players on the opposite side?  :devil

Ok, dumb topic to argue of.. they got their credit and that's that.
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Re: A C47 with real kills.
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2013, 10:12:02 AM »
No but if an enemy cartoon pilot surrenders, flies over to your airfield and ditches, you do get the "kill".
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Re: A C47 with real kills.
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2013, 10:15:23 AM »
I wonder if putting on a skin with a white flag on it would make the field guns stop from shooting?  :rofl
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Re: A C47 with real kills.
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2013, 10:27:23 AM »
so we're adding tommy guns to the goon? AWESOME LOL :bhead
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Re: A C47 with real kills.
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2013, 10:52:33 AM »
I wonder if putting on a skin with a white flag on it would make the field guns stop from shooting?  :rofl

No, he'd have to deack the field first. Then land.  :D
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Re: A C47 with real kills.
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2013, 05:42:06 PM »
One of the best reads I've seen.  :aok :aok :aok
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Re: A C47 with real kills.
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2013, 06:13:18 PM »
It's unfortunate it was scrapped in 1963.

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Re: A C47 with real kills.
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2013, 06:43:07 PM »
It's unfortunate it was scrapped in 1963.

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Re: A C47 with real kills.
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2013, 08:51:45 PM »
Also a spot of luck for the US crew that they most likely ran into a flight of Stukas that were probably on their way to an Allied field to surrender to avoid being captured by the advancing Soviets.  The transport they also forced to land was probably doing the same things the Stuka crews were doing.

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Re: A C47 with real kills.
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2013, 06:33:22 PM »
Partial photo & description of the plane from the pilot.

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Re: A C47 with real kills.
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2013, 03:18:16 PM »
it is a good thing it was towards the end of the war when the germans were surrendering by the hundreds of thousands.  had it been the year before the c47 would have been another allied airplane lost.

Well, "towards the end of the war".... That's slightly inaccurate. The war in Europe was OVER when this happened. German forces had already surrendered unconditionally.

Millions of German soldiers were still in process of laying down their arms. Airmen, too. This transport and the Stukas gave their surrender to another transport plane. No different to what was happening all over the continent. But a good story with a happy ending, anyway.

And the Stukas were most likely armed with 2 x 20 mm cannons. A C-47 would have been dead meat, if the war was still on, but of course, they wouldn't be flying alone in enemy territory without escort either.

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Re: A C47 with real kills.
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2013, 05:41:54 PM »
Your right it happened post war skin won't qualify.

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Re: A C47 with real kills.
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2013, 05:51:21 PM »
Post VE-Day is not necessarily post war... What did that C-47 do afterwards? Redeployed to the Pacific perhaps?
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Re: A C47 with real kills.
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2022, 07:38:55 PM »
Just an FYI. The pilot in question was my grandfather. These events actually happened and were written up in Stars and Stripes. He went on to also fly in Korea and retired a Lt Colonel. Loved his stories.

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Re: A C47 with real kills.
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2022, 10:55:01 AM »
Yeah, May 9, 1945 was four days after the German surrender, and my understanding (from study and various accounts) was that the Germans were doing everything possible to surrender to the Americans rather than to the Russians.

So, how long has those Stukas been flying around looking for an American a/c to surrender to?  if they'd just flown to an American base, the odds were probably pretty good that they'd have been shot down?  Officially, lowering your landing gear in the presence of 'the enemy' was a sign of surrender, but Stukas are fixed gear, so....

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