He111 is HERE!!!!!!!!

[LCADolby]

I am going to shoot Dolby down and have off  with his stock of pies

I might leave him one pie  and a bottle of real ale, its the Geneva Convention section 2 paragraph 5 i believe

Very thoughtful, IPA?

[BudHeavy]

Way cool!!!!

[Volron]

It's the 2 weeks that are gonna get me...

[Karnak]

Do you guys think the He111H will be more survivable or less survivable than the G4M1?

I am thinking that it will be less survivable.  While it will be tougher, it can't effectively shoot back from any angle.  At least the G4M1 has some punch against fighters approaching from the rear.

[skorpx1]

Do you guys think the He111H will be more survivable or less survivable than the G4M1?

I am thinking that it will be less survivable.  While it will be tougher, it can't effectively shoot back from any angle.  At least the G4M1 has some punch against fighters approaching from the rear.

I think they're just about equal. That rear 20mm is nothing too bad if you can get above/below it. The He-111 would probably be seen more than the G4M in the long run though.

[SmokinLoon]

Similar.  Ultimately, I believe it will see more use than the G4M based on ordnance alone.  Time will tell, it is hard to speculate really.  We wont know how they will hold up to enemy fire until the new version of AH is released.  Even though I knew the G4M was known to be a "weak plane" in the real deal, I never would have guessed it would have been as fragile as it is in AH. 

[skorpx1]

Similar.  Ultimately, I believe it will see more use than the G4M based on ordnance alone.  Time will tell, it is hard to speculate really.  We wont know how they will hold up to enemy fire until the new version of AH is released.  Even though I knew the G4M was known to be a "weak plane" in the real deal, I never would have guessed it would have been as fragile as it is in AH. 

This. Not to mention they were flying fire bombs. A single .50 cal put in the general area of the engine would light it up, provided it sparked. G4M's are less durable than the He-111 and by that fact alone, the He-111 will see more action.

Its not too hard to speculate when you put the facts together. The He-111 will see some massive use in the first week or two but after that it'll be seen as much as the SBD or B5N/D3A.

[Volron]

Fragile is an understatement.  A fart in the wind will set your Betty on fire.  The Betty has Range, Climb and a heavier sting from tail.  The Heinkel appears to have better overall coverage, better ords and is probably a bit tougher.  Just gotta watch the PW's though.

[Oldman731]

Its not too hard to speculate when you put the facts together. The He-111 will see some massive use in the first week or two but after that it'll be seen as much as the SBD or B5N/D3A.

Both of which are seen quite a lot in AvA, scenarios, snapshots, and FSOs, not to mention EW and MW arenas.

As AckAck said, the MA is not everything that's out there.

- oldman (some may say it isn't even close to the best thing out there)

[Karnak]

This. Not to mention they were flying fire bombs. A single .50 cal put in the general area of the engine would light it up, provided it sparked. G4M's are less durable than the He-111 and by that fact alone, the He-111 will see more action.

The IJN demanded insane range for a twin engined bomber.  Mitsubishi wanted to go to four engines so they could provide armor and self sealing tanks, but the IJN wouldn't hear of it.  In order to get the demanded range they had to actually do a wet wing for the G4M, where the skin of the wing is also the fuel tank, and of course they couldn't do self sealing tanks.

The problem I see in the He111 is that its tail, the easiest and most popular attack point for fighters against bombers, is completely undefended.

[skorpx1]

Both of which are seen quite a lot in AvA, scenarios, snapshots, and FSOs, not to mention EW and MW arenas.

As AckAck said, the MA is not everything that's out there.

- oldman (some may say it isn't even close to the best thing out there)

FSO/SE/AvA are obvious exceptions to the use of the He-111. I'm talking MA action only, sure the He-111 is a huge factor in the SE/FSO and sometimes the AvA spectrum, but what it boils down to is how much use it gets in the MA.

(I imply MA as the EWA, MWA, LWA.)

The IJN demanded insane range for a twin engined bomber.  Mitsubishi wanted to go to four engines so they could provide armor and self sealing tanks, but the IJN wouldn't hear of it.  In order to get the demanded range they had to actually do a wet wing for the G4M, where the skin of the wing is also the fuel tank, and of course they couldn't do self sealing tanks.

The problem I see in the He111 is that its tail, the easiest and most popular attack point for fighters against bombers, is completely undefended.

Glass nose + poor defense = bad day if cannons or even .50 cals are used. Frontal attacks will be just as fatal as rear-end attacks. If I were in the He-111 and I were taking damage from the rear, i'd try to turn myself so I can get my belly guns exposed. Rear end attacks are more dangerous if you can get the belly guns up to the attacker, but its unlikely for it to happen.

[Ack-Ack]

FSO/SE/AvA are obvious exceptions to the use of the He-111. I'm talking MA action only, sure the He-111 is a huge factor in the SE/FSO and sometimes the AvA spectrum, but what it boils down to is how much use it gets in the MA.

(I imply MA as the EWA, MWA, LWA.)

Honestly, who cares what usage it gets in the LW arena?  On the main page, it alludes that the main reason for the He-111 is to plug a hole in the scenario/FSO plane set, which it does.

ack-ack

[titanic3]

The IJN demanded insane range for a twin engined bomber.  Mitsubishi wanted to go to four engines so they could provide armor and self sealing tanks, but the IJN wouldn't hear of it.  In order to get the demanded range they had to actually do a wet wing for the G4M, where the skin of the wing is also the fuel tank, and of course they couldn't do self sealing tanks.

The problem I see in the He111 is that its tail, the easiest and most popular attack point for fighters against bombers, is completely undefended.

Much like the Ju-88? I'm thinking its going to be relegated to the suicide torpedo role against CVs off shore in the MA for the most part.

[Lusche]

Honestly, who cares what usage it gets in the LW arena? 

I do

[skorpx1]

Honestly, who cares what usage it gets in the LW arena?

A lot more people than you would think.